Systemic Racism. What it means and what it DOESN'T mean.

There are many papers written by sociologists, psychologists, politicians, ... and others; explaining in detail what "systemic racism" means. But I'm going to try to explain it in my own words. More specifically as it relates to crime rates by black people, and their confrontations with police.

Systemic racism doesn't mean that cops are racists (some may be, some may not be). It means that the system is racist. Which is not about written policies. It's about a culture. The way cops are trained, and what they learn from senior cops and peers when they are on the field. It's a way of doing things.... It's the pre-conceived and unsubstantiated assumption that black people commit more crimes than white people. I'm not stating that this assumption is right or that it's wrong. I'm saying there is no tangible evidence that this is so.

Part of this is taken from a post I wrote on another thread, but is worth a thread of its own.

White supremacists have developed a narrative that some non-white supremacists repeat without bothering to think how absurd it is. They want you to focus on irrelevant parts of the system. They want you to focus on statistics (which I don't know if they exist or not) of how black people are convicted of crimes more often, or resist arrest more often.... White supremacists hope that you will repeat this talking point without bothering to stop and think how ABSURD that is.

Think about this: If a certain group of people is stopped more often, it's statistically more likely that they will be searched more often, which increases the statistical likelihood that something is found showing they committed a crime, which increases the statistical likelihood that they will be arrested, which increases the statistical likelihood that they will resist, that they will be shot at, that they will be killed, .... or that they will be convicted.. Black people are stopped more often, hence searched more often, hence arrested more often, hence shot at more often or convicted more often...

The one and only statistic that would matters is if blacks commit more crimes than white people. No such statistic exists. I don't think it COULD exist (how would we know?) There may be (I don't know) statistics showing that they are convicted more often... But that's just because of the above chain.

Bottom line: there is NO evidence that they actually commit more crimes than white people... Only that they are caught more often.

Obviously, if you live in Zip Code 90210, you keep the drugs you acquire from a more expensive (but trustworthy) source in a safe place in your mansion, which is unlikely to ever be searched. While if you live in a poor neighborhood you might keep them in your car, or on your person or in a poor apartment that might be raided more often because your dealer ratted on you. And if you experience an overdose, your rich parents will quietly pay for a private clinic, while the black guy has to go to an emergency room in a hospital where they will be reported. And cops are more likely to search an old Chevy than a brand new Mercedes.

However the rich kid is just as guilty of drug possession as the poor black kid is. But less likely that they will be stopped, searched, arrested,... And hence, less likely that they will resist arrest and get shot at.

All of this is what is known as "systemic racism".

 

Wrong!
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...what-it-means-and-what-it-doesnt-mean.587769/

 

The foundation of the system is calibrated at "blacks are criminals" but many people don't realize (or choose not to) that this really started as a way to disenfranchise black voters (as they lost the right to vote once convicted of a felony). It's a continued way to keep their "voices" silent in the democratic process.

This is why people have been comparing the new voter ID laws to Jim Crow laws. The reality is NOT that black and/or poor people are too stupid to get an ID. There are some legitimate barriers to obtaining it such as lack of documents and financial barriers. Instead of focusing on how to help the demographic bridge this gap, many just want to shout that this somehow proves there is mass-scale voter fraud. It's funny how some people want to speak up "for black people" by saying they are being called stupid but haven't considered volunteering to drive them to the DMV or Social security office or help them fill out forms needed or helped with the cost of all that paperwork, etc.

And, you know this part already. The people that need to understand the information in your post are the people fighting tooth and nail to deny its existence. It's much more pervasive how people contribute to and are complicit in these processes simply by ignoring the problem. A problem not addressed can never be resolved and that's exactly how they like it.

 

And thanks for the load of crap. Your willingness to ignore most of the FBI crime statistics is telling. When it comes to violent crime African Americans win hands down. In any case cops go where the crime is. That's there job. Also African Americans are victims of crime more often than their percent of the population would indicate.

 

Holy DENIAL!

They commit more crimes then almost all other ethnicity combined. Get real! I think you are making this thread because you know any fake claims of fake "systematic" racism can be shot down with statistics.

 

I just learned how the OP was seduced into this lie, because of liberal "fact check" sites
Look at how this article tries to debunk the number of black on white murders VS white on blacks. Notice all the numbers for one side is higher. Also notice how it sneakily doesn't mention the amount of whites VS blacks in the country (this is VERY IMPORTANT MATH)
This article tells this from the point of view that there are the same amount of whites and blacks and tries to give you the idea that black on white murders is only slightly higher

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ows-incorrect-homicide-stats-race/5739522002/

Do not believe the lies of the left. They think they are slick but they are SOOOOO easy to debunk

 

Such statistic exists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
[...]
"Crime rates vary significantly between racial groups. Most homicide victims in the United States are of the same race as the perpetrator. Academic research indicates that the over-representation of some racial minorities in the criminal justice system can in part be explained by socioeconomic factors, such as poverty, exposure to poor neighborhoods, poor access to public education, poor access to early childhood education, and exposure to harmful chemicals (such as lead) and pollution.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] Racial housing segregation has also been linked to racial disparities in crime rates, as blacks have historically and to the present been prevented from moving into prosperous low-crime areas through actions of the government (such as redlining) and private actors.[12][13][14] Various explanations within criminology have been proposed for racial disparities in crime rates, including conflict theory, strain theory, general strain theory, social disorganization theory, macrostructural opportunity theory, social control theory, and subcultural theory."

Partial of the human intelligence is a pattern recognition. Anyone who watches a violent crimes recorded on security camera can recognize similar pattern, so instead of being politically correct and insisting that "blacks do not commit more crimes than white people" we need to find a solution to a problem.
Imagine that one day all racist laws, regulations and behavior will disappear - do you think the situation of the Blacks will improve? I doubt it. I doubt it, because one of the major reason of poverty is single motherhood:
https://www.actrochester.org/children-youth/single-parent-families-by-race-ethnicity
Blacs: 66%
Latino/Hispanic: 42%
White: 34%

How to solve this problem? I have no idea, but I suspect the solution is not cheap. Most Americans wants low taxes, so who will pay for it?

 

I'd like to address the second part of your post regarding single parenthood and its relationship to poverty, crime, etc..

This is a quote made by Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY) who warned about the hazards and consequences of marginalizing fathers when his fellow Democrats were crafting the War on Poverty and Great Society programs of the 1960s and his prediction has turned out to be depressingly and familiarly prophetic:

From the wild Irish slums of the 19th century Eastern seaboard, to the riot-torn suburbs of Los Angeles, there is one unmistakable lesson in American history; a community that allows a large number of men to grow up in broken families, dominated by women, never acquiring any stable relationship to male authority, never acquiring any set of rational expectations about the future -- that community asks for and gets chaos. Crime, violence, unrest, disorder -- most particularly the furious, unrestrained lashing out at the whole social structure -- that is not only to be expected; it is very near to inevitable...

How to solve this problem?

It cannot be completely remedied, but it can be mitigated significantly if the government stopped marginalizing fathers and stopped interfering in their ability to determine the disposition/custody of their children. The problem here is not the monetary cost of solving the problem and all the symptoms associated with it - crime, violence, etc. - but the political cost. For Democrats this is an existential question, so they don't even want to acknowledge, discuss and solve it, and Republicans for the most part are too terrified to touch what has truly become the third rail of American politics since the 1960s.

The solution is obvious, but it's equally obvious that the solution will be extremely painful, and the political courage and will doesn't exist to fix it.

And so the problem will continue, even though we're perfectly capable of perceiving its root causes and how to solve it. In the meantime, another generation gets fed into the meat grinder. It's infuriating, frustrating and depressing...

 

Those go hand-in-hand. Black and brown people are arrested and convicted more often than white people. They also get stronger penalties. This does not mean there aren't some problem areas, but it's not the *whole* picture to just use statistics as a basis for that specific prejudice.

 

Systemic racism is placing the blame for bad behavior and poor choices on anyone but the person making the bad decisions.

 

Unfortunately, I can tell you from experience that most of the problems associated with our justice system are a wealth issue, not a race issue. I've seen how people who couldn't afford bail had to sit behind bars before they were even convicted of the crimes they were accused of committing. I've seen how the ability to afford a good lawyer can mean the difference between walking out of a courthouse or being escorted into a prison cell. I've seen how wealthy, powerful, well-connected individuals have been able to avoid prosecution and imprisonment for offenses that less wealthy, powerful, well-connected individuals and Americans wound up spending hard time in prison for. It pains me to say this but our "justice" system can be described as a game, and if you don't have the money to play the game and/or don't have the power and connections to play the game you're going to lose. Race has nothing to do with it.

 

The "penalties" thing is a different topic and I don't know enough about that at this moment to contribute to that, but they are committing way more crimes and this is pretty much a fact and I think it gets ignored way too much.

 

How much does it take? Blacks kill other blacks at a rate around seven times that whites kill whites. When you look at the numbers they tend to be similar. They resist arrest at about the same rate. They are convicted of crimes at about the same rate.

That is substantial evidence that they do commit crimes at a higher rate than whites. Or do you believe this is all one big coincidence or conspiracy?

 

Show it! Show that they commit more crimes. But read the OP first.

 

What the hell??? What does the victim's ethnicity have to do with any of this?

You guys are getting worse by the second.

 

Because it is very doubtful that blacks are going over to areas dominated by whites and killing whites and whites are going over to areas dominated by by blacks and killing blacks. It is b black on black crime at a rate of around seven times what occurs with white on white crime.

 

I already did with my link. heck, i even proved the link wrong. I know you guys want to ignore math but you can't just pretend statistics don't exist for your convenience

 

I dunno, ask the BLM people who claim Floyd is a victim.

As another poster pointed out, crime is more correlated with poverty and cultural choices and norms than skin color. I don't care what color your skin is, if you start siring fatherless babies and don't educate yourself, you're more likely to be poor. Simple fact.

 

Read forum rules! Links are meant to support your case. Not to make your case for you.

But anyway... don't bother. It's already obvious from your response that you have no case.

 

You've claimed the stats are bogus. Where are your stats that prove that the crime stats are bogus? It's your initial claim.

 

I would like to hear that myself.

 

I see. So, in your mind I guess Chauvin was the victim because Floyd almost ripped his pant leg with his neckbone, right?

Oh Dear God! So, according to you, black people CHOSE to live in slavery for centuries, and then CHOSE to be subject to Jim Crow laws.

What nonsense!

 

Actually, I was kind of hoping that there really was a good working definition of "systemic racism" so we could test it against data, but since the OP starts off with such a ridiculous factual inaccuracy, "It's the pre-conceived and unsubstantiated assumption that black people commit more crimes than white people," this is really like all of the other threads on this topic. And for everyone running to post FBI statistics, don't bother. How many times has that been done on this forum? Facts don't matter, otherwise Kooky ideas like "systemic racism" would have never become a thing.

 

You asked what the color of the victim had to do with anything. I answered you. Ashli Babbitt vs. George Floyd. Or when a white drug addict dies by cop, you don't see cities burning and stores looted like clockwork. Simple. I would guess you already know this, though.

The out-of-wedlock rate for blacks was lower 50 years ago than today. MUCH lower. That had nothing to do with Jim Crow, and has to do with personal choices.

No slave from 1860 is having kids out of wedlock today, causing their family to be poor. Geez.

Here's the bottom line.

The left cannot - and will not - look past skin color to explain cultural phenomenon, because that's how they pander to people. It matters not if a higher percentage of white violent offenders are shot by police than black. The left just doesn't mention the rest of the numbers, because it doesn't support the narrative that SKIN COLOR, and SKIN COLOR ALONE, is responsible for all the suffering in America today.

That's BS. Everyone knows that if you are committing a violent crime, you might get shot. Everyone knows if you don't finish high school, you might be poor. Everyone knows if you have litters of kids out of wedlock, your odds of being poor are higher. But those are all PERSONAL CHOICES, not skin color, so the left can't dare talk about that, because that hurts their ability to pander.

"Since 1970, out-of-wedlock birth rates have soared. In 1965, 24 percent of black infants and 3.1 percent of white infants were born to single mothers. By 1990 the rates had risen to 64 percent for black infants, 18 percent for whites. Every year about one million more children are born into fatherless families. If we have learned any policy lesson well over the past 25 years, it is that for children living in single-parent homes, the odds of living in poverty are great. The policy implications of the increase in out-of-wedlock births are staggering."
https://www.brookings.edu/research/an-analysis-of-out-of-wedlock-births-in-the-united-states/

Of course, the article is from a leftist rag, so they aren't short of ridiculous explanations that don't even address the underlying issue.

 

There is no such thing as racism. “Racist” is just a slur that is cast at someone who holds divergent views. It’s simply a tool used to immediately end the discussion, which is why the Jews employ “antisemetic” so often.