That statue in England that ended up in the bay?

Anti-Semitism was around long before the Jews got into banking!

 

Did you not read what I said

You are free to look into that.

I was working in Brixton at the time of the riots. You ignore the results of the inquiry and come out with your own bias as being reality. A lot of work was done then to make people aware of racism and make necessary changes particularly in London. Although unfortunately on this things can change it probably is true that most of the UK has dealt with racism better than Northern Ireland. (This of course is ignoring Britain's contribution to it and that her wealth was made by plundering the resources of another continent and enslaving them)

Check out the video. The lady says she is too scared to even say. Looks like Northern Ireland has not even begun the self reflection which your statement about the Brixton Riots illustrates.

Northern Ireland: levels of racism ‘should shock us to our core’, says Amnesty

Possibly because you have not dealt with racism in Northern Ireland you have no understanding of it.

Akala here speaks of the difference between racism in the US and UK

 

No, you make the assertion, you provide the evidence, not ask others to looks for it. What racism was there? The police cracking down on street crime? How is that racist? Britain freed the slaves, remember?

Yes actually from Londonderry and I only ever witnessed racism once when I stood up with my friend Ajay to protect him from a pair who were racially abusing him. Racism is not a problem here because we have so few ethnic minorities but we do kill each other over politics and religion.

 

I said that someone had said that but then stated that it would need to be checked. Please learn to understand English

Check out the Scarman report. Here is a little

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarman_Report#:~:text=The Scarman report was commissioned by the UK,Scarman report was published on 25 November 1981.

The straw which broke the camels back was Operation Swamp.

It migbht have something to do with white people not experienceing SUS or Operation Swamp

What on earth are you suggesting here. A country with outher European Countries enslaves a continent while stealing their resources and removing from 12 to 20 million people from that continent and the West Indies, destroying their continent and their culture and you believe because they eventually ended it while demanding that the people of the UK fill the coffers of the slave owners for over a hundred years something positive. Haiti were the first people to end dlavery by the way.

It is not a problem to you because there are only a few people. However it is a serious problem to ethnic minorities.
Your opinion is not supported. It is sad that you just believe your opinion is reality.[/QUOTE]

 

I hadn't realise that was just the first few minutes and leave out most of what he says about the differences between the US and UK

 

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1. Please learn to speak it?
2. Yeah, balderdash, you go where the crime is and white areas did not have that level of street crime.
3. Yes, every society had slavery, Europeans/Americans just practiced it at a more sophisticated level. Britain not only banned it before virtually anyone else we actively sought to prevent it through the West Africa Squadron.
4. Well I'm from Northern Ireland and you're not? My opinion is supported, racism is not a problem in NI as we have so few ethnic minorities, we are surely no different from anywhere else?

It is really sad that you think your opinion is reality, it is really sad that you think you can shout people down by screaming 'Racism', it is really sad you are a hypocrite who seeks to denigrate my people.

 

I live in London and black youth are stopped and searched repeatedly and disproportionately and yet are found to be doing nothing wrong. White youth do not have the same experience.
There is a deep lying vein of traditional and institutional racism in Britain as far as I can tell.
The antagonistic behaviour is based on the way people look.

 

Black people in London are about 12% of the population but make up 44% of all murder victims and 48% of all suspects and half of all robbery suspects, who do you expect the police to stop and search, Chinese Grandmothers? Are all these robbery victims lying racists? Who is killing all these young black men?

There is no such thing as institutional racism, people should be judged by their actions and they ARE! Black people have to face up to their culture of violent crime, no one else can cure them of it but themselves.

 

yes it did happen, open a book.

 

no it wasnt.

 

So if a black person in London is stopped and searched seven or eight times a month, and on each occasion is found to be totally innocent of anything at all do you think that is simply their destiny?
Over and over and over again for being in possession of a black skin in an area of high crime? Are you of the opinion that is simply tough and those innocent people have to put up with it?

 

yes, that's what I said.

 

Yes of course it was.

 

No, it shows they have to address the violence within their community because that's the only way it's going to end. I got stopped and searched by the police and army every day growing up and I never complained once so what's their excuse?

 

It is our community isn't it? Not 'their' community.
Addressing problems within our community is not down to young black people.
I have no explanation as to why you were stopped and searched by the police and army every day but somehow I doubt in your case it was because you have a black skin.
Were you found to be wrongdoing on your daily stop and search experience, and which problems in the community did it cause you to address?

 

I had thought quite a lot had been done to sort things out but just beginning to look I can see there appears to be far more problems than I thought.

I had assumed that the main reason for Gangs in London was that Thatcher created an underclass and once you have done that they will create an alternative society - that is what happens if you cut people off from society in General. We saw in the 2011 riots that it was the underclass that rioted. More Blacks I think in London but by the time it had reached Manchester almost completely white...but still the 'underclass'. You must give people an opportunity in life if you do not want this.

When I was looking at things and this will probably be in connection with Operation Swamp 81 and the sus laws, I heard someone who I think was a Politician at the time proclaiming that people should be imprisoned if it was thought they might do a crime. Clearly a stand had to be made and one thing I will say for Black people of Britian, they did not take being abused lying down.

I was surprised when I heard May telling the Police she was not happy that SUS was being used almost entirely on black people - surprised as I considered herself pretty racist.

any way play the music and sound the Trumpet. It has been found that the SUS abuse does not help crime it makes it worse and boy I have been wondering these past few days whether Britian was thinking of doing something like they have in the US re Blacks and Prison.

That this was going on in the streets of London disgusts.

cont'd https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/sep/18/police-stop-and-search-makes-more-likely-finds-charity

This is getting to as bad as the US.

That was in 2018. Sounds more like the sort of thing May would set in motion than complain about but who knows. Someone, cannot remember who but I think some politician was saying that May said to him not long ago that the UK was entrenched in racism. Possibly the Tory Party though I would put no money on Starmer being better.

 

of course it wasnt.

 

I take your point but you're arguing semantics, it is the violence within THEIR community which blights OUR community but blights theirs worst of all. My point is that the stop and search on me was justified as is the stop and search on them. Didn't cause any problems, defeated the terrorists and let us live in peace.

 

Don't be silly, of course it was.

 

What are you talking about, you're blaming Mrs Thatcher for black youths stabbing one another, are you Derek Hatton or something? Stop and search saves lives, the black community would just rather squeal 'racism' than address the violent criminality which blights them. The Matrix is a vital tool, finding the stash houses and crash pads of gang members. How can people tell the police to cut down murders and at the same time take away the tools they need to do so?

 

I disagree with you.
Even Theresa May said over the Windrush scandal that black people from the West Indies are valued citizens and as 'part of us'.
You may wish to distinguish 'their' community and 'our' community but many others don't, and indeed making such a distinction is in my view a contributary factor towards racism.
I am not arguing semantics but discussing lived reality.
I am guessing you are in Northern Ireland.
Perhaps what causes the fragile peace there is the existence of great big walls dividing areas and the Belfast Agreement much more than stop and search.

 

you would offer proof if that were the case but you have non, therefore, it wasnt.

 

Point is they distinguish when it suits them, their community has a level of violence that blights the entire community yet they complain when someone tries to solve it? What gave us peace was stop and search, grinding the bad guys down until they gave up.

 

I have 'non'? It 'wasn't'? The Jews got persecuted long before they achieved their financial dominance, people just use that as an excuse.

 

when and where were white jewish europeans persecuted before they gained "financial dominance"?