The Dems Are Grooming This Airhead for 2024

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  1. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    The darling of the Democrat party apparently dabbling in a little stream of consciousness spouted these gems yesterday.


    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) stated during an Instagram Live video on Tuesday that “it doesn’t make sense” that federal agencies that are charged with protecting the American homeland would be structured under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

    “And, by the way, ICE as an agency, as a structure, should not exist,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “DHS as an agency, the way it is currently organized, someone tell me why it makes sense, why FEMA and CBP and ICE and the Coast Guard should all be part of the same agency. It doesn’t make sense and, in fact, it’s incredibly dangerous when it’s structured that way.”

    “And so what’s happening is that, um, billions and billions of dollars have gone to ICE and CBP and as we’re talking about police uprisings in this country,(anyone know what she's talking about?) I think it’s really important that people understand, do you know what is now the largest law enforcement organization in the United States of America?” Ocasio-Cortez continued. “It’s CBP. It’s Customs and Border Patrol. It’s the largest law enforcement agency in the country.” CBP is Customs and Border Protection.

    The four agencies that Ocasio-Cortez claimed should not be organized together—FEMA, CBP, ICE, and the U.S. Coast Guard—all provide critical support to the American homeland.

    During her live stream, Ocasio-Cortez also lamented that illegal aliens have not received “extended unemployment” because they are illegally in the U.S. "The amount of xenophobia that we’re seeing especially with this administration, there is so much language that’s disrespecting undocumented people."

    Ocasio-Cortez then suggested that breaking federal immigration laws was not “wrong, saying, “They are often making sure that our work places and our homes are sanitary and so we cannot go on with kind of these xenophobic narratives that undocumented people are somehow wrong or, or just bad human beings when the fact of the matter is, is that, the scaffolding of American life is, so much of the scaffolding of American life is built upon the labor of undocumented people.”
     
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    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

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    I agree with her on DHS. The agency was created in response to 9/11. It was never meant as a domestic police force.
     
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    DHS Is Not ‘The President’s Personal Militia,’ Tom Ridge Says

    On Tuesday, the first secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) took issue with President Donald Trump’s recent use of federal officers to quell riots in Portland, Oregon, and said he would resist unilateral action from the White House if he were still a governor.

    Tom Ridge, who was appointed by President George W. Bush to head DHS after it was created in the wake of 9/11, told radio host Michael Smerconish, “The department was established to protect America from the ever-present threat of global terrorism. It was not established to be the president’s personal militia.”

    The former two-time governor of Pennsylvania also conceded he would “welcome the opportunity to work with any federal agency to reduce crime or lawlessness in the cities” if he were still in that office, but said “it would be a cold day in hell before I would consent to an uninvited, unilateral intervention into one of my cities.”
     
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    Won’t the earth be nearing “the end” by 2024, via the AOC environmental global weather climate changing modeling Starbucks calendar?
     
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    The Bartender is in a dead heat with a box of rocks for brainpower. This fits Tlaib and that brother-marryin' loudmouth, Ill Wind Omar.

    If her brain exists, it's on dry ice and undocumented.

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    excuse image. cannot remove.
     

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    If she wins, by 2028 we'll wish it had.
     
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    If she wins what?
     
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    In the unlikely event that she wins in 2024. She may not even get that far if the Donks decide she's radioactively stupid. She's fast approaching that level, despite stiff competition from the other Donks.
     
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    Trump would have to win for this to happen, and even then, she turns 35 three weeks before the election. Far too young to win the nomination.
     
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    I fully agree Trump would have to win. I have seen nothing to support the notion Biden will even make it to a swear-in next January at the rate he is declining.

    Well, that very point has intrigued me for some time. Are you that solid on "far too young"...? Rules are for little people, don'tcha know. We're talking Democrats.

    Look how they treated Hillary in Florida and Michigan by splitting her votes and giving them to Hussein, who wasn't even on those states' tickets. It happened. It was blatant as hell and Democrat slime at its typical full-throttle worst.

    Is she too young to be nominated, or too young to take the oath of office? That's where lawsuits begin.
     
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    Yeah, the rate of Biden's decline reminds me of the imminent release of the Kenyan birth certificate. Biden has been poking fun at Trump's cognitive skills. The only thing in decline is Trump's poll numbers.
     
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    You're a little behind again.
     
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    Thank you. You, as well.
     
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    No chance. The party insiders hate her, they just blew big money trying to primary her.
     
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    FYI -- the Bush transition team was having meetings at the Executive Office building in DC briefing Senior Managers in Government about the creation of DHS before Bush was even in office. Now it is true the Homeland Security Act was passed after 9/11 -- but the plan to create DHS existed before 9/11.

    With respect to ICE and CBP. ICE was part of the INS which was created in 1933. CBP was simply renamed from Customs Service (moved to DHS from the Treasury Dept) to CBP. The Customs Service was created in 1789. So these law enforcement agencies are not exactly something new that created after 9/11.

    Look at the table in the following Wikipedia article showing the 22 agencies reorganized into DHS. See any agencies that did not exist as an independent agency or exist as an agency in another Department prior to the creation of DHS? I think you will find the answer is no.

    Don't agree with AOC regarding DHS because in this case she doesn't have a clue what she is talking about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Homeland_Security
     
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    Agreed, but you highlight my point. The problem isn't the agencies themselves, it's the consolidation under the arm of the DHS. I'll go back to Tom Ridge's statement:

    “The department was established to protect America from the ever-present threat of global terrorism. It was not established to be the president’s personal militia.”

    DHS should not have authority over domestic issues. The feds have the FBI and ICE. Domestic crime and immigration are not global terrorism. DHS needs to refocus on global terrorist threats.
     
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    Tom Ridge was/is a clown who focused on creating a DHS brand and logo and then left the Government to cash in by working to make it easier for foreigners to get into the country. So his statements don't mean much IMHO. ICE and CBP are doing what they have always done.

    DHS includes the Federal Protective Service (formerly part of GSA) who does have a direct mission to protect Federal Buildings.

    "People I think have a sense that they're not quite as welcome in America as they were on September 10th, 2001, and that's the furthest thing from the truth," Ridge told NPR. "So we have to dust off the welcoming mat and we just have to promote America."

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14761443
     
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    Your opinion of Ridge is irrelevant to his statement, which is fact.

    DHS was not formed to be riot police. The states have the national guard for that. Protecting federal property is a valid operation, by the FBI or US Marshals, not DHS. Rioters aren't global terrorists, and ICE has no jurisdiction over rioters.
     
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    Wrong. DHS includes the Federal Protective Service whose mission is to protect Federal property. When DHS was created this mission was moved from GSA to DHS via the Homeland Security Act.
     
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    And of course Tom Ridge being a bush lickspittle done of if another four years or so at high six figures on the government trough has no axes to grind at all. Note the agency used was the US marshals which among their other duties tasked with defending government property is in point of fact the appropriate agency to defend the threaten federal courthouse and so Mr ridge has no leg to stand upon let alone to straddle that oh so very high horse.
     
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    Okay, you're misunderstanding me. I strongly oppose highly centralized federal police authority. I oppose the DHS, in principle, for any operation other than global terrorism.
     
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    As in all cases. Has she ever made sense?
     
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    I agree with her on that, just not her reasons behind that position.
     
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    I love how she said the rioters and looters were starving and just wanted some bread.
     
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    I share your concern about abuse of federal law enforcement authority. However, I feel that the FBI has always demonstrated more of a danger in this regard than DHS. Waco and Ruby Ridge come to mind.
     
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