The Magic Pill... documentary on Netflix... I highly recommend it.

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    Here is the trailer:



    I am no scientist so I cannot verify the theories put forward in this documentary but several friends and family members are giving this a try and it seems to be working out much as the documentary predicted that it would.

    I have definitely heard that our brains... .need more good nutritional fats...... and yes... I have read or hear that sugars tend to cause inflammation among other problems.
     
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    yep, it's appearing our government jumped the gun on health recommendations based on Ancel Keys so called research

    talk about a failed experiment that is now coming back to haunt us via poorer health outcomes for our citizens and higher health care costs
     
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    here is another good one
    " CarbLoaded: A Culture Dying to Eat "
     
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    "Sugar: The Bitter Truth"

     
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    "Fat Chance: Fructose 2.0"

     
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    make sure your not eating bad oils, seed oils are not natural even though they call them "vegetable" oils

    "The Most Dangerous Cooking Oils in the World"

     
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    "Low Carb Diet: Fat or Fiction? Does it work?"

     
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    The best thing is to include moderate amounts of fat and protein together with vegetables combined (in every meal) with moderately small amounts of carbohydrate. This is especially important if the carbohydrate is not whole grain. Try to vary the sources of carbohydrate so it's not mostly all bread and wheat. There are many other grains.

    Don't make the portions of meat too big. Try to put other sources of protein on the plate also, like beans or sunflower seeds on a salad.

    There are various different types of non-wheat pasta and noodles, it's a great opportunity to change things up a little.

    Milk is healthy but only when kept in small quantities.

    Sugary food can be part of a healthy diet too, but only in very small quantities, in moderation, and if the rest of what you're eating isn't healthy you're going to overeat the sugary foods, so it might just be better to stay away from them.

    If you want to start on a healthy alternate diet, try this for a week.
    Do not buy anything that has wheat flour, sugar (including high fructose corn syrup), or cheese for a week. Carefully read the fine print on the ingredient list to make sure. For some people that just might include about everything they were eating. Well that should be a wake-up call. Do some research to learn about different things that don't have these.

    Don't overdo it on oatmeal either, just because you're off of wheat.
    No fried chips either.

    Remember, sugar stimulates the appetite and makes your body feel more hungry.
    Even artificial sweeteners (like diet sodas) are believed to have a similar affect on the brain.

    Physical movement helps keep up the body's metabolism, spreading out energy and helping the body not convert too much of the food into fat. (It's not only just about how many calories are burned by that movement)

    Typical examples of alternatives:
    Cream of buckwheat (not related to actual wheat)
    Puffed rice mixed with dried red currants (or cherries) and hazel nuts (or almonds)
    Brown rice
    White rice pilaf mixed with diced green beans and wild rice (the wild rice may have to be cooked separately because it takes longer, before being mixed in, green beans should be fresh and steamed separately or added at the last moment because they do not take as long)
     
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    7 years ago my health was failing and I was not so slowly dying. Out of desperation I went ketogenic 6.5 years ago. I lost 60 pounds. My joint pain virtually disappeared. My lifelong chronic heartburn disappeared. My lifelong chronic blood sugar problems all but disappeared. I got in shape; regained my health, regained my life, and have dated women 30 years my younger ever since. ;)

    If I had not gone ketogenic, there is no doubt in my mind that I would be dead.
     
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    As for cancer, ketogenic diet are being used to aid in cancer treatments; both to make the chemo easier, and in the extreme, to actually help cure the patient of cancer.

    Cancers need glucose to grow. A glucose-rich environment is Candy Land for cancer.
    Insulin plays a key role in the ability of cancers to spread. High glucose levels lead to high insulin level.
    Ketones are toxic to tumors. When you enter ketosis, your liver starts producing ketones.

    Given that we didn't generally start growing grains until about 5000 years ago, humans evolved on mostly ketogenic diets. Ketosis may be our natural metabolic state. We only entered glycolysis [how most people live now], when fruits were available in the spring and summer. For the rest of the year we mainly lived on animal protein and fat.
     
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    Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Yes, we have a family friend who had cancer. She thought she had gotten rid of it but then it came back. She went completely sugar-free and drastically reduced her consumption of carbohydrates, on a very strict health plan. Today she looks great. We're talking about a 60-year-old woman who looks great in a sleeveless shirt and has muscle tone rather than flab.
    She still technically has cancer but it is undetectable now. They took her off the medication because the cancer seems to be in remission.

    Now doctors tell her it's very likely she will die a normal death of natural causes before the cancer catches up with her. She's very physically active and has a lot of energy.

    Cancerous cells grow much faster than normal cells in the body, so if there's lots of sugar around it will feed their rapid growth. It's believed the body can actually put up some fight against cancer cells in some cases, but this is difficult if they're growing so fast.
    Not having sugar around can starve the cancer since the cancer uses up its own energy reserves so fast.
     
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    I am at the thirty one minute mark right now and again...... Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Some scientists at Berkeley determined that sugar is so dangerous, it should be a controlled substance. It is one of the primary causes or problems in everything from obesity and heart disease, to diabetes. Sugar-related illnesses and health problems account for a whopping 1/3 of all health care costs - about $1 Trillion a year.

    If we taxed sugar according to its health care cost consequences, which I think we should do, we would have to pay $20 a pound in taxes. For perspective, a Big Gulp would have about a $6 sugar tax.
     
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    The Secrets of Sugar - the fifth estate

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    There was a member here with whom I was talking about sugar - the health consequences and my idea of a tax. He commented that he used to work in a sugar processing plant. They could leave very large piles of sugar outside, on the ground, and insects wouldn't go near them. Even ants wanted nothing to do with it.

    I've actually seen a sugar plant with eight-foot tall piles of sugar outside, and wondered about that.

    Note that my idea of a $20 per pound sugar tax requires that all of this money go to pay for the related health care costs. Keep in mind that we are all paying for sugar now at a rate of $20 a pound; in health care costs, insurance costs, and taxes that pay for health care. The sugar tax alone could reduce the cost of health care by over 30%. Include highly processed foods, fast foods, added fats, smoking, booze, and other risky choices, and the cost of health care could be cut in half.

    Show me any other health care plan or strategy that could reduce the real costs of health care and insurance, by 50%.
     
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    it's really sad, this guy knew what he was talking about... but Ancel Keys was a better talker so we went with the low fat recommendations instead of the low sugar recommendations of the time, I will say we have learned a lot from the mistakes of that decision, but at a high price to the health of many many Americans
     
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    It isn't just sugar, it's flour too.
    And easily digested high starch grains and tubers like potato.


    10,000 BC
    The beginning of our slow, destruction.


    :worship: the real, Caveman Diet.
    Works good on Diabetics too. Lowers insulin use and get them off Diabetes pills.
    I've done it as a GP, M.D.
    Not some yuppie, "Paleo".
    Whatever you could eat in 10K BC.
    Save the post 10K BC for desert ;) , not sustenance.

    We should have stopped messing with food production with herding domesticated
    sheep, goats, reindeer, horses and cattle. Chickens too.


    Thus Spaketh Moi :oldman:
     
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    Going keto means giving all of that up. It's everywhere. But processed sugar is by far the biggest offender.

    Potatoes go right to glucose. It's almost like eating sugar.
    Try to avoid wheat products. I do but it isn't easy. The stuff is everywhere.

    I've had two pieces of bread in 6.5 years. And those caused a severe blood sugar reaction as well as severe reflux.

    The day I stopped eating bread was the day I stopped eating Rolaids. But I didn't realize it for about six months. I had constant heartburn and ate Rolaids like candy. But the next thing I knew, I had an unopened bottle of Tums sitting there and realized it had been there for months. No doubt about it: It was the bread. I had heartburn my entire life. My Rolaids habit started at about age 10. When I stopped eating bread and wheat products, it vanished.
     
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    I had written both Senators and my Congressman about my product liability or risk tax. No response beyond a form letter. So I tried writing Bernie.
     
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    Of course seed oils are natural. They come from natural things. However, natural doesn't mean safe or good for you. We have this delusion in our culture that "natural"=safe. Many natural things are dangerous or bad for us.
     
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    agree, but they are heavily processed with chemicals, try to squeeze oil from a corn kernel... not happening... that oil was never meant to be eaten in the quantities we do today, and the trans fat, thankfully they now see that one is bad
     
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    too much profit on the one side and the animal rights activists on the other side... change will be hard... as many Conservatives and Liberals seem to want it the way it is... but the truth is getting out there
     
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