The Push To Discredit HCQ

Typical unsupported DP late election cycle slander. Very ineffective.
When will they ever learn?

 

In addition.....

There are several steps in decision making, and reviewing/analyzing the facts is one of them.

Quote; “Several Hydroxy clinical trials/studies have shown some/very encouraging results/benefits, therefore, it should be stamp approved by the FDA because said facts speak for themselves”.

Wait a minute......what about the negative factors/facts?

And undoubtedly, prior to a decision, both positive and negative factors are constantly reviewed/analyzed by our Regulators/FDA.

Last, the self-acclaimed experts on clinical trials/blinding in this thread DO NOT INTIMIDATE ME into silence, due to the fact; “Critical Thinking” is an unbiased analysis of facts/issues......JUST AS I DID!......and evidently, what’s lacking in this forum is critical thinking.

 

Now, let’s go back to this thread’s opening post

Conclusion; Dr. Fauci is a flip flopper

Well, over the years, most people have flipped over one or many issues, including ME, and Donald Trump!

Yes, that is true; Last year, 2 years ago, 5/10/15 years ago, Trump;

Stated
Claimed
Criticized
Supported
Applauded
Believed

Blah Blah Blah, and I stopped playing this never-ending political/partisan game long time ago.

 

You mean like:

Biden wants to "Hurt the Bible. Hurt God. He's against God. He's against guns. He's against energy"? That kind of late election cycle slander?

Actually, that came from a sitting president, not some poster on an anonymous internet forum, so it is much more serious. Unhinged, actually.

 

Again with the double blinded?! How can you guys continue to regurgitate that same dribble that has nothing to do with the success of a trial.. And I posts link to several trails that have shown various successes

 

Double blinded studies are the gold standard for a reason.

So, again, do you know of any concluded double blind, randomized trials which found a benefit of HCQ on Covid-19?

 

Ha ha, not even the beginning of a counterpoint to the article, it is clear you have no challenge to the article at all, not only that your reply indicate you didn't read the article in the first place.

Dr. Fauci flip flopped only once, you would know this if you read the article.

Cheers.

 

Simply put, I haven’t subjectively responded to your article, for the following reasons;

1. In politics, and in an effort to discredit, flip flops are weapons, and I’m a mediator, thus, wisdom and impartiality are my weapons.

2. I’m an independent, formerly Republican, and politically, I’ve been viewing both red and blue coloured specimens under my microscope since 2007, and what I discovered is partisan politics is the most common mental illnesses in America.

3. The push to discredit HCQ; I haven’t discredited HCQ, and in fact, I’ve been chanting; Let’s wait for results, however, there’s also a push to discredit the so-called Deep State/Regulators, WHY? Perhaps for the same reason there was a push to discredit the Federal Reserve/Enemy of the people, thus, because, several times, they haven’t granted Trump’s wishes.

4. Indisputably, it’s a flip flop, and here’s mine flip flop: I once believe abortion is murdering until my sister-in-law revealed that she regretfully had an abortion, and since then, I’ve been chanting “Let God be the judge”. Thus, over the years, circumstances, conditions, knowledge and wisdom do change people’s beliefs.

 

I don’t know anything about clinical trials, and you seem knowledgeable, thus, I need your help.

In reference to Hydroxy as a PREVENTION drug, such as; anti-pregnancy pills, thus, PREVENT, do you have a link to one/several trials that have shown some benefits?

 

You pro-Biden folks don't know how to google? If you want an answer, look it up!


Democrat NYC Councilman Paul Vallone Credits Hydroxychloroquine with Saving His Life

 

They have an incredibly high tolerance for the collateral death of innocents.

 

The Big Government political faction really does run up the body count at every opportunity.

 

Why didn't you include a link to that quote?
Did it come from DNC political ad for Biden?

 

Liars tend to flip flop when they get caught.

"He also acknowledged that masks were initially not recommended to the general public so that first responders wouldn’t feel the strain of a shortage of PPE.

He explained that public health experts "were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.”
THE HILL, Fauci: why the public wasn't told to wear masks when the coronavirus pandemic began, The infectious disease expert also discussed why they are necessary., By Alexandra Kelley | June 16, 2020.
https://thehill.com/changing-americ...fauci-why-the-public-wasnt-told-to-wear-masks

 

It’s just so sad the MSM and Democrats are so invested in Trumps failure they would prefer people die if it means Trump can do something positive. They would rather the economy crumble and people suffer if it means Trump loses. It’s ****ing sick!

 

I don't know about that, but Marxism has the highest body count in the world, no other thought system is even close.

 

This **** is just not even remotely based in reality.

 

I do not ask you a question because I need an education from you. I ask you a question because I want you to prove that you are capable of learning.

 

The countries and states states that relied on Hydroxy for treatment: New York state, US, Brazil, Mexico, India. What do they have in common - the highest number of deaths.

Countries and states have seen significant drop in deaths after seeking different treatment and drugs except for Brazil and India who are still using hydroxy as their primary treatment.

 

Which party is celebrating people burning our cities down? Democrats call those literally burning buildings, protestors. People throwing missiles at police, “mostly peaceful”. A rapist is mostly peaceful except for the actual time he’s raping someone. The rest of the day, he’s doing nothing wrong. Which party is calling a potential TREATMENT, not a cure, for Covid bad, just because Trump said we should look into it? Who claims we should all be wearing masks, but ignores those protesting, but want to shut down those trying to run businesses and keep the economy going?

Which party is invested in the country failing so they can blame Trump? They certainly don’t want anything to improve, so they aren’t supporting any measures that will allow the country to get better. They want the economy to sink by paying people to stay home and NOT work. The longer people don’t work, the more businesses close. If you don’t open schools people will be forced to stay home. MORE failure.

If they actually cared about lives Democrats would have blasted and condemned the millions marching in packs, spreading COVID. But they said NOTHING!!! If they cared about black lives they would condemn the lives being taken every weekend but instead concern themselves over the 9 that died last year to police. 9!!!!! 9 die in one day to gang violence in Chicago alone. Black lives? They don’t give a **** about lives. They only care about failure and blaming Trump to get him out of office.

 

Not as a preventative. But as a treatment, yes. Hydroxychloroquine is an antimicrobial agent with immunomodulatory and antiviral properties and in various drug cocktails has shown great success with ARDS patients. There are, however, several prevention studies currently underway with only limited success. Many Immunotherapy killed the majority of the patients on its initial phase I trials. Those survivors generally see 100% remission and advance the science further. Those who have sacrificed during the early onset of these clinical trials, their lives are not in vein. The information we get from these trials eventually save lives.

 

Either state your source or this is just more liberal rhetoric.

 

Interesting. This is news to our clinical trail department. I need to let leadership know we've been doing it wrong all this time.

Granted, I've stated before that placebos are extremely important for certain trials, but in today's clinical trials, specifically drug trials, blinded placebos trials are very rare. As I mentioned, out of the 470 active trials we currently have, I think we have about 25 total and most of the those are already closed to accrual.

 

How can you be sure the study is unbiased, without the double blind study? It's easy to say that 300 people got better after taking X, but don't we need to know how many would have gotten better, anyway? What if the person doing the study was compromised?

Knowing how many would have gotten better, or knowing who got worse, seems like some of the biggest questions to answer, to me. It helps to know the researchers had no bias. We have ample evidence that science can, and does, follow the money.

 

Easy, if science tells you that the drug cocktail is reducing inflammation in ARDS patients, then the trial does not require a placebos to ensure the accuracy of the trial. It's all dependent of the effects of the drugs.

And there are double blinded trials going on. I do not know of any sites in our consortium that are enrolling for this protocol, but there are some out there that are. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

The trials we have are straight Cohort tails.