The Tragic Story of a Boy turned into a Girl

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly, and anyone trying to claim this thread is in the wrong section because it doesn't have to do with gay/lesbian rights is being disingenuous.
     
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    before title was probably created before people were really talking about transgenders that much. I come to accept it as the LGBT discussion area.

    It would be like saying you can't talk about things having to do with bisexuals in here because it's lesbian and gay only. I think because some people lack the ability to discuss the issue they are attacking you.
     
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    When did you stop beating your spouse LOADED QUESTION FALLACY exposes DESPERATION on your part.

    No one is obligated to deny something that they NEVER espoused in the first place.

    YOU have been CHALLENGED to PROVE your BOVINE EXCREMENT allegations and you have FAILED MISERABLY every single time.

    Your MOTIVATION for nefariously CONFLATING perversions with the LBGT community has been EXPOSED as a result of the CONTENT of your own post.

    Your ENDLESS STRAWMAN attempts have DESTROYED what shreds of credibility you might once have had.

    And you have DISQUALIFIED yourself from any further meaningful interaction on this topic as far as I am concerned because it is patently obvious that you have no valid subject matter knowledge when it comes to LBGT issues.
     
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    You're still making the strawman argument.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The sad part is that he doesn't even realize that is what he is doing.
     
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    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    The validity of a strawman argument is irrelevant to whether the argument is a strawman or not. If I assert that the sky is grey right now and you counter with, "so you don't believe in blue skies?" you are making a strawman argument. My assertion had nothing to do with whether or not blue skies exist or not. You are trying to twist what I said into something different and then prove that different thing wrong.

    Te's initial assertion is that this is a medical malpractice issue and has nothing to do with TG rights. You are twisting the assertion as to whether or not he supports certain TG issues, not whether or not this issue is an issue of TG rights or one of medical malpractice. While I also oppose his position, I am making arguments based on what the issue presented is, not his position on other similar issues.
     
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    Girls are girls. Boys are boys. Nothing new.
     
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    Exactly. Kazenatsu, there are ways of arguing that this is a TG issue as opposed to being simply a medical malpractice one. I can see the validity of both viewpoints. There are elements of TG in the story. I pointed out earlier that this lends credence to the argument that gender is not a factor of the biological configuration of the nether regions as the child in spite of gender reassignment, hormonal therapies, and behavioral conditioning...the person was decidedly male. While perhaps not a TG issue in of itself, it does have points that can be used in a TG discussion.

    On the other hand, this is also clearly a case of some actions of a medical professional that were questionable at best and at worst...willful abuse of acceptable medical practices.

    So...both viewpoints can be argued without saying "Well I think "X" is the valid point here" and "So you don't believe in "Y" then?" sort of strawman arguments.

    If you see point where this is a TG issue...argue them.
     
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    Wow! Telling a story about transgenderism, and the barbarity of such practices like castration really pisses you off. You demand that the post be moved, or taken down because it doesn't mention transgender rights. I think these rights were discussed in this OP, except the one who seemed to have no rights was the baby boy.
     
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    It's an accepted fact that transgendered people have a suicide rate approaching 40%.

    Why would any parent ever encourage their own child towards doing something that would put that child at about a coin-flip risk of them killing themselves?

    Is your primary role as a parent to protect your child, or to push a wacky and dangerous progressive agenda?
     
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    The story of Bruce/Brenda/David is not one of transgenderism in and of itself. It's only connection to transgenderism is in showing that gender is not taught but inherent. David's rights were violated many times over, but none of those violations had to do with whether he was cis or trans.
     
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    Those studies do not do a comparative study of pre transition vs post transition. Furthermore, ignoring that a child is transgender will no nothing to reduce any chance of suicide since it is an inherent trait, not a learned one.
     
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    It is standard practice, most American men are cut. Religion is no longer the main factor and has not been for many decades.
     
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    Thankfully, there is a movement away from the practice.
     
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    then it's obviously a mental disorder. Why perform a lopmydickoffme when the person has a chemical imbalance or psychological disorder?
     
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    I never said it should be ignored. I just think it shouldn't be encouraged, and the popular practice among the woke left it to suggest that transgender transitioning should be encouraged enthusiastically and zealously.
     
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    It's not your genitals that make you male.

    It's your entire chromosomal makeup that makes you male.
     
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    Solution: import more of the biggest barbarians
     
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    Who are you referring to?
    Jews, Christians, or Muslims? They all do it.
    Seems barbarians share a common item — religion.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure. Israeli Jews, French Protestents and ISIS are all basically the same level of barabarism.
     
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    No, definitely not the same level.
    They do all mutilate their children however.
     
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    Male circumcision is not done for the reasons female circumcision is done in those cultures.

    It is, in fact, what makes one of those a far more barbaric culture.
     
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    Correct, it is still genital mutilation.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really.

    The definition of "mutilation" is to "inflict serious damage".

    Male circumcision, with the exception of the doctor in the OP who should have been unwillingly circumcized by the parents, does not damage the penis.

    Indeed, it is done because it has perceived health benefits. The AAP has stated that the health benefits include lower rates of HIV, penile cancer and urinary tract infections.

    Literally, you're only removing a piece of skin.

    Male circumcision is no more a mutilation than piercing your ears, or a tattoo, or a nose job.

    The key point: when done correctly, it does not "inflict serious damage".

    The same cannot be said of female circumcision in either the reason it's done, or it's effects.




     
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    This is simply not true but many believe it...
    Circumcision Permanently Alters the Brain
    The Sexual Impact of Circumcision
    Male circumcision decreases penile sensitivity as measured in a large cohort

     
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