The Unique US Failure to Control the Virus

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  1. cirdellin

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    The fact that huge social media platforms are now forbidding members from minimizing the threat of c-19 informs me that there must be enormous pressure from somewhere to do so.

    Do the proportional math yourself and the death statistics would place this, historically, as a minor pandemic.

    So where is the pressure to make this into a perceived major pandemic coming from?
     
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    With the exception of maybe a oxygen or gas mask.
     
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    Do you actually think the virus gives a sh!t?

    You speak as though the virus doesn't exist. Very very weird.
     
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    Dunno. Maybe you should don your tinfoil bonnet and see if you can tune into the chip in your head. It has voices from the deep underground.

    Meantime, in reality land, the actual pandemic is where the 'pressure' is coming from.
     
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  5. truth and justice

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    Unfortunately the lifting of lockdown led to many of the young thinking that they were given the green light to go out and party and they partied hard. The authorities did try and crack down on this but unfortunately too late. Many of Spain's younger population still live with their parents who also live with their parents
     
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    Article from April 7th! Anyway, the best indication of number of deaths caused by this virus will be excess deaths
     
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  7. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly, how to the deniers, well, deny that? More than 200,000 excess deaths since March; obviously the death toll is being under-counted rather than over-counted.
    This is a screen shot so no way to click on the link but people can confirm it at the CDC website if they want to do it.
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    Many people simply don't have the income to save. I'm limited to the groceries I can carry. That being said, I largely agree with you. Too many people out n about for pleasure or convenience. Including me, a so called essential worker. But I consider my time going to work during the last few months as ultimately serving pleasure because many of the boxes I handle are clearly not essential.

    I guess the only thing I would add is that a serious lockdown would need a plan to distribute food to those who need it.
     
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    Good points. There were certainly times in my life when I couldn’t be prepared as I am now. And food distribution at a level needed to sustain people wouldn’t be hard to do. What would be hard is pleasing everyone’s first world spoiled palate. :)

    Thanks for adding the commentary on your job serving pleasure. You have been taking risks others aren’t willing to subject themselves to in the pursuit of their own pleasure. I respect that and thank you for it even though most people don’t even realize the consequences of expecting those like you to assume risk for them.

    Being prepared to not starve for a few weeks isn’t too hard or expensive. This guy is pretty good at cutting through the stupid prepper BS and actually helping people be prepared. Check it out.
    http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/episod-1056-part-1-of-zero-to-prepared-fast-simple-and-low-cost
     
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    You mean compared to other countries that have less diversity, like Canada, Australia and Europe?
     
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    II could survive on ramen for weeks if necessary, but I'm not going to do that while in the midst of these half-hearted measures.

    It might be too late now, but in the beginning I think more serious lockdowns were needed in urban areas experiencing infections. I think the National Guard should have been called up to distribute food to those who needed. 3 reasons:

    1. Any lockdown that doesn't have very specific exceptions will not work. Going out to get food is not specific enough. Any out n about anywhere in the city could claim this exception

    2. Military has a discipline level that's higher than the public which would ensure safety protocols are followed during distribution.

    3. Would be easier with military to have units operate in separate pods to prevent outbreaks.
     
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    Everyone with half a functioning brain cell:roll:

    I love how people who post twaddle like this never back up their claims
     
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    :roflol::roflol:
    WTF has “diversity” got to do with ANYTHING??
     
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    Melbourne locked down hard and this is what they did

    They are still struggling with the latest outbreak because much to the disgust of the rest of the country, they did not have an adequate system in place to TRACE contacts :roll:
     
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    Last night I experienced yet another frustration with the COVID crisis. I woke up with a scratchy throat, cough, and slightly congested. I definitely have something.

    So I called the resources line for one of the biggest employers in the country where I work. Lots of information on how to file COVID claims. But what seems to be clear is that if I take a few days off while waiting for my test results, and they come back negative, I get jack. Not only no money, but the days will be subtracted from my time off balance.

    I can't afford that risk so I went to work sick. Despite Biden telling me to be a patriot. Despite the media and others saying how serious this is. Those people are asking me to not show up and intentionally become homeless, as that is what will happen if my test comes back negative. I will go into the negative on my pointa which is automatic termination.

    That's a tough choice you are asking me to make, especially when it's coming from people I really don't trust.
     
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    And America still does not have the rapid testing? I had a test the other week and I won’t say they went too far but I feared for my underpants - had the result in hours
     
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    Anecdotally I've heard that there are some places I can go if I get there early enough (limited total tests per day), I can get result in 24 hours. But im pretty sure the average is days. I'll find out in the morning; going to VA.
     
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    That stinks to lock down and still have spread. If you are really locked down I don’t see how tracing would be complicated. Almost all, if not all spread should be in families/cohabitants.

    What specifically should Melbourne have done to improve tracing to be on par with the rest of the country?
     
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    Ok that was like driving an automobile into a big pile of mush.

    I’ve backed up my statistics so many times on here but once again (sigh) 8 of 10,000 deaths in the world (possibly) from COVID. That’s tiny! Certainly not worth shutting down the economic engine of the world!

    I have expressed concern that huge social platforms have banned any speech minimizing the danger of COVID. And I wonder the motivation.

    Would you ban my speech on this matter were you able?
     
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    Multiple lines of failure some we believe and some is speculative. Certainly there was not enough culturally or even socially appropriate messaging in a dense multicultural environment
     
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    The line of reasoning from some is to lockdown until things are completely safe while those very same people say that things won’t be likely to be safe for years.

    When asked how people will pay their bills, the answer is government will take care of them.

    When asked how government will do that in the face of vastly reduced tax revenue, the answer is that the virus is too important to think about that right now and it will work out somehow.

    I believe this is what psychologists call magical thinking.
     
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    Would you prefer that it becomes a major cause of death? We live in an age where communication is instant and many places in the world were able to react quickly. Take the DR Congo where I live. We've had less than 250 deaths with a population of 83 million. Action was taken even before the first case arrived in country. People were unified in the fight to prevent the spread. Had we had the infection rate of the US or Brazil with our lack of advanced medical care we'd have 100s of thousands or even millions dead. That would not have been "tiny".

    The point I'm making is that a cohesive, unified approach saved us and would have save the US a great deal of problems. Having social media that fights against that cohesiveness and a president who does the same is only prolonging your misery. Work together, set a common goal and see it through.

    Samoa lost 1/5th of it's population to the Spanish flu, American Samoa none. The difference? One imposed a 5 day quarantine on all arriving ships the other didn't. Two years later American Samoa got it's first cases but the flu had weakened and was no longer deadly.

    If the US and others can get their spread under control and for the most part the steps are simple if everyone participates then the US and the world can return to some normalcy. It's like the old oil commercials, "Pay me now or pay me later". Had the US unified, like it did for H1N1 which was not nearly as nasty, your kids would be in school now. Wearing masks for sure but in school. You're paying the price now.
     
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    Your other points I have addressed in the body of your reply. Please read them!

    The reason kids are not in school is by government edict and given that children exposed hardly ever even get sick make such edicts nonsense.

    People need to be exposed for the world to be rid of this and controlled exposure was key to the success here in the Netherlands.
     
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    No, that's not what I mean. Diversity with minorities being hit harder in the US doesn't necessarily mean that it's inevitable and linked to their genes, as it may very well be because they live in more crumpled conditions, have to take public transportation more, have less access to higher quality PPE, etc., which would point to a failure by the United States to protect these populations. So, that's not exculpatory.
     
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    Those are separate issues. Focus, we don't need to add to the problems.
    Didn't invite you. Is there a point there?
    You need to take Brazil off your list, their president literally said Trump was right and did jack all other than fire two health ministers for disagreeing with him. It's topped 100k deaths and climbing rapidly.
    As to the others I think you'll find they are in much better shape now than the US and actually had less severe economic losses. As to proportions the US is 8th with a bullet and climbing the deaths per million despite it's advanced health systems. Brasil right on it's tail. Of the 7 higher, 6 are adding fewer than 100/day, 5 are under 30 and 3 added under 10 at the same time the US added over 1000.
    Nor should platforms be provided for the Luddites that think science is trumped by feelings.
    You missed the point, one ignored the flu the other was proactive. One lost 1/5 of it's population the other none.
    Absolute bull hockey spread by the liar in chief. Kids absolutely do get sick, they thankfully don't die as often as others but studies are showing there are long term health issues associated with getting covid even if originally asymptomatic. The alternatives exist, perhaps less convenient but a whole lot safer.

    As to your herd immunity, no one knows if that could even happen but they do know that the road to it will be littered with 10s of millions dead. The reinfection of some people indicates that it won't ever happen.
     

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