Top income brackets should be taxed at 99%.

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  1. bringiton

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    It is most definitely and indisputably voluntary and market based, just like buying a loaf of bread from a baker, and you know it. You are merely accustomed to taking bread without paying for it; so now when it is proposed that you should pay for what you are taking, you act all butt-hurt and claim that paying the baker the market price for the bread you are taking would not be voluntary or market based.
     
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    I'm taking bread now? I don't think so.

    And what is going to stop me from running my goats in your vegetable garden?
     
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    Not if he makes just compensation to the community of those whom he deprives of it. A shepherd doesn't need very advantageous land, so he might be able to make do with the free, secure, exclusive tenure on a large amount of low-value land that he voluntarily chose as his just -- indeed generous -- compensation for not being at liberty to use all the land non-exclusively.
     
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    So he will be denied unless he does what the master says?
     
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    That was an analogy I was using to help you understand the relevant economic relationships, because you are very, very resistant to understanding. I hoped -- though I did not expect -- that it would be clear, simple and obvious enough to overcome your resistance to understanding. Of course, my hopes were in vain.

    You are taking the land and the economic advantage obtainable by its use from all who would otherwise be at liberty to use it. You know this. You just don't want to pay for what you are taking. Simple.
    The community I paid for the benefit of the exclusive tenure it provides.
     
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    And these people will violate my right to liberty?
     
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    Wait, what? "Master"?? You seem to have become confused, and wandered into the wrong thread. Paying a baker the market price for what he provides does not make him your "master," and certainly does not mean you are "doing what he says."

    It is the PRIVATE LANDOWNER who is actually the MASTER of the landless, and thus DEMANDS that they DO WHAT HE SAYS in return for his PERMISSION to live -- as all of history proves. The only thing that stops everyone reading this from understanding that is the massive intervention in the economy through welfare, public education and health care, minimum wage laws, labor standards laws, publicly funded pensions, etc., etc. by democratically accountable governments to rescue the landless from enslavement by landowners. But it is crystal clear in EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD where private landowning has been well established, but government has NOT taken such measures to rescue the landless from enslavement by landowners.
     
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    Like a private landowner, except that unlike a private landowner, they will make just -- indeed generous -- compensation for the loss of your liberty inherent in exclusive tenure.

    As you know very well, but always pretend you do not.
     
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    That is an absurd fabrication. Do we need guns and truncheons to get people to pay for a loaf of bread they take from the bakery?
    What you must really worry about are infantile "Meeza hatesa gubmint!" proclamations from people who wouldn't last five minutes in the absence of said government -- for, in Dr. Strangelove's delicious phrase, "reasons which must be all too obvious at this moment."
     
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    No, because unlike under the feudal private landowning system you prefer -- which does enslave him by forcibly removing his right to liberty without just compensation -- under the system of liberty and justice in public revenue and land tenure that I prefer, he would get just compensation for loss of his liberty to use all land non-exclusively: free, secure, exclusive tenure on enough of the available advantageous land of his choice to have access to economic opportunity (which is actually much better than liberty to use all the land non-exclusively). He will thus have OPTIONS, and BARGAINING POWER, and will not be compelled to sell his labor to an employer on disadvantageous terms in order to pay a greedy, privileged parasite just for PERMISSION to work, shop, and live.
     
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    That is a bald falsehood. I have stated the relevant facts of objective physical reality -- most of which are self-evident and indisputable -- and their inescapable logical implications.
    No, it does not, because there is no such thing as intrinsic value, as I already proved to you. Value is what a thing would trade for: what the person who wants a thing most would have to pay to buy it from the person who wants it second most. It is therefore completely dependent on the desires and priorities of those two people, and is not intrinsic. You are just objectively wrong. OBJECTIVELY. You will find that happening a lot, as long as you presume to dispute with me.
    Oh, OK, I see: you just do not know what the word "intrinsic" means. Please look it up in a good dictionary. I think you'll notice that the definition doesn't mention anything about being based on anyone's intentions. Just sayin'.
    OK, so you now agree that your claim that they declared land to be their property was nothing but an outright fabrication. Good. We may be getting somewhere.
    LOL!! Oh, I have, champ. Count on it. And more than a bit of thinking. You might want to try it some time.

    The FACT is that people have ALWAYS lived in communities because we cannot survive and successfully reproduce any other way -- for reasons which you would be aware of if you had ever done any reading on the subject aside from your Bible (you haven't).
    No they aren't. They are bald falsehoods, like all the rest of your fallacious, absurd, and disingenuous propertarian garbage, as I have proved repeatedly.
    :lol: I have proved repeatedly that your claims are flat, outright false as a matter of objective physical fact. You, by contrast, have never been able to refute even a single sentence that I have written. NOT ONE. How many more times, and in how many more different ways, do I have to prove you flat, outright wrong as a matter of objective physical fact before you will become willing to consider the possibility that you actually ARE wrong?
     
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    So...the shepherd will be prevented from using land that he would otherwise be at liberty to use?
     
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    They had taxes in the bronze age.

    Think caves.
     
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    So, nobody can deprive him of his right to liberty to run his goats thru your vegetable garden?
     
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    Yes they did. I'm hoping we can evolve beyond such barbarous and uncivilized acts.
     
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    Civilisation comes with a price tag.

    But seriously, you should NEVER pay it. You're a sovereign citizen!!
     
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    That is an inescapable implication of exclusive tenure, whether on the feudal private landowning model you prefer or the liberty and justice model I prefer. Given that we can't give up exclusive tenure and retain modern civilization, the only point at issue is whether exclusive tenure will be a mechanism for the plunder and enslavement of the landless for the unearned profit of landowners, as you would prefer, or a mechanism for securing and reconciling the equal individual rights of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor, as I would prefer.

    Which you know, but are disingenuously pretending not to.
     
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    Taking people's money by force isn't civilized.
     
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    So he would be prevented from using what he would otherwise be at liberty to use.
     
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    Uh, have you been taking lessons from Cathy Newman?



    Try reading and responding to what I wrote instead of just reflexively repeating the same fallacious, absurd and disingenuous garbage you have already seen me refute dozens of times.

    I know I should be thanking you for acting as such a perfect foil, but don't you ever get tired of trotting out the same fallacious, absurd and disingenuous garbage you have already seen demolished a hundred times before, only to be demolished and humiliated for it again?
     
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    So he would be deprived of his right of liberty?
     
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    As under private landowning, but -- unlike your preferred feudal model -- with just compensation for what the exclusive landholder is taking from him.
     
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    So he would be denied his right to liberty. Got it.
     
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    Unlike under your preferred feudal model of private landowner sovereignty, he would get just compensation instead of simply being robbed and enslaved for the unearned profit of a greedy, privileged, parasitic landed elite.
     
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    I haven't said that i support a feudal model.
     

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