Top income brackets should be taxed at 99%.

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Taking people's rights to liberty by force and refusing to make just compensation for what you are taking isn't civilized. People who do that are thieves. They deserve to have their money taken from them by force. In fact, if they refuse to pay for what they are taking, not taking their money from them by force isn't civilized.
     
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    So, Joe Blow is just sitting in his rented apartment and you feel it's civilized to take his money because....?
     
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    You either believe in self ownership or you believe in slavery. There is no in-between.

    All property rights are derived from self ownership. If you pay a "fee" (a tax by any other name) to a "trustee" (a bureaucratic member of government by an other name) than you are a slave, specifically a wage slave.
     
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    He's in a very weird place where he is advocating that people be denied their right to liberty but then also claiming that it's wrong to violate one's right to liberty.
     
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    Apparently subtle hints are beyond your scope.

    I 'declared' no such thing, now you are just making **** up. Do not put your words in my mouth.

    I know what intrinsic means, you apparently don't. After all, how would you grow your cotton, or would the trees and plants grow, if there weren't something of intrinsic (there's that word again!) value in the soil? Anaerobic soil cannot support plant life, therefore it has no intrinsic value. It would be a bulk material only and the nutrients would have to come from external sources. There is no intrinsic value.

    Nice try, but religion isn't a factor in my life, or beliefs.

    You are wrong, have failed to support your beliefs with actual facts, and have disregarded logic and common sense because it doesn't fit your narrative.

    Now, please run along and come back when you actually have an argument of value.
     
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    Joe Blow volunteered to give his money to the landlord. No one 'takes' it, it is freely given.

    If Joe Blow didn't want to give his money to landlords, he would have chosen instead to own property. He didn't do that, therefore he clearly prefers renting. He clearly likes the symbiotic relationship of a rental property.
     
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    Um, I'm not talking about his rent. I'm talking about the government taking 99% of his income, which is what @bringiton is advocating
     
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    Sorry, that was addressed to our Pal! I thought he was bleating about tenants being robbed or something.

    I didn't read that proper :p
     
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    No worries friend. I think we're on the same side.
     
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    I know, you want all the benefits, but you don't want to pay for it.

    Which is why you have to move to Somalia.
     
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    I am willing to pay for any service I choose to purchase.
     
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    Quote or retraction. Now.
     
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    Retraction. I don't care.
     
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    Sure, just as the victim of a protection racket volunteers to pay for "protection."

    What is the defining characteristic of a protection racket, hmmmmm?

    Think hard.
    Like the payment to the protection racket.
    More of that absurd and disingenuous nonsense?

    "If Joe Blow didn't want to give his money to a protection racketeer, he would have chosen instead to hire thugs of his own."

    What evil, disingenuous filth.
    More evil, disingenuous filth.
    Just as the small businessman clearly likes his "symbiotic relationship" of paying off a gangster for "protection."

    Despicable.
     
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    Thank you. I thought you knew me well enough by now to know that I oppose income tax in all its forms and at all rates. I'm simply knowledgeable enough to know that a highly progressive income tax focused on extremely high incomes from the rents of privilege is more just and less economically destructive than a broad-based income tax that mainly burdens working people's wages.
     
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    I wouldn't take his money. I'd just charge his landlord the market price for what he is taking from the community by excluding others from the land -- and I'd extend an equal per capita exemption for Joe and every other citizen residing at that location. I assume -- maybe over-generously -- that you know enough economics to know that the landlord cannot pass any of that cost onto the tenant, and moreover has no choice but to reduce Joe's rent by the exemption amount.
     
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    No, that's just more of the same fallacious, absurd, and disingenuous propertarian nonsense from you. I just got through proving to you that the concept of self-ownership is incoherent and nonsensical. You sound like you must have been reading Hans-Hermann Hoppe, probably the most dishonest "intellectual" who ever lived.
    No, that's just more cretinous propertarian garbage from you, as I already proved. All property rights are derived from the right of the producer to keep the fruits of his labor, which is in turn based on the non-deprivation principle, the basis of all valid rights.
    What an absurd load of nonsense. A slave is someone whose labor is compelled by force, not someone who is required to pay the market price for value he is taking from its producer.
     
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    OK; as you have not falsely, absurdly, and disingenuously claimed the reforms I advocate are "Stalinist," "Bolshevik," "communist," blah, blah, blah, in any of your recent posts, let's see if we can characterize each other's views more informatively. Can I characterize your preferred system of exclusive land tenure as the taking-without-compensation system rather than as feudalism?
     
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    Not -- as under your preferred system -- without just compensation.
     
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    Stalinism has the state administer all the property, right?
     
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    So he could run his goats thru anyone's vegetable garden he chose?
     
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    <sigh> And here I thought you were doing so well not to call wildly anti-Stalinist reforms "Stalinist." See the Cathy Newman-Jordan Peterson interview. I have stated specifically, many times, that he would not, any more than he would under your preferred taking-without-compensation system. He would, however, be at liberty to run his goats through some suitable low-value terrain FOR FREE -- conspicuously unlike under your taking-without-compensation system, in which he would have to pay a private landowner just for permission to pursue his productive labors.
     
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    Exactly; not just land as under my preferred system.

    So, you finally learned that it is false, absurd and disingenuous to call the system I propose "Stalinism." Congratulations! It only took you, what, two months?
     
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    Apparently, understanding that you have been comprehensively and conclusively demolished is beyond yours.
    Ahem. In post #1287 in this thread, you wrote: "Think back to the far ancestors time. Declaring one's territory in order to protect their families was innate."
    Ahem. Cast out first the beam that is in thine own eye.
    <yawn> I scored 170/170 on the GRE verbal. You did not. If you pay attention, you may learn some things about correct use of the English language from our discussion, even if you refuse to learn any economics or ethics.
    Easy: value is what something would trade for, not what grows a plant. Not content with your error regarding the meaning of "intrinsic," you are now apparently getting confused between value and fertility.
    It has no intrinsic value because there is no such thing as intrinsic value, as I have already proved to you.
    Do you mean fertility?

    There is no intrinsic value anywhere, ever, because value is what a thing would trade for, and that depends on who values the thing most, and why.
    Just covering the bases, as I didn't know the exact source of your erroneous understanding of human prehistory.
    That is a bald falsehood. I have identified the relevant facts and their inescapable logical implications.
    Because I corrected your blatant and egregious errors of fact?
    :lol: You are a joke. When the dirt just keeps falling back in on top of your head no matter how hard you throw it, it's time to stop digging.
     
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    Definitely. It goes well beyond politics, this stuff.

    Also shows that socialism (when 100% voluntary) has far more in common with the libertarian Right, than it does with the modern Left.
     

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