Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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    Or maybe the catalyst to remove the President. Better choice.
     
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    So you don't believe in the first amendment?
     
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    Ya gotta read the fine print.
     
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    There isn't fine print on the the First Amendment.
     
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    Only a Trumpet would think that was it.
     
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    Thats a dodge. Answer my question first - do you think children are "virtually immune" to covid-19?
     
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    The first amendment does not limit the actions of Facebook or twitter.
     
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    I completely agree with the first.
    But Freedom and Free Speech have a rather large responsibility, to the people around you. Your freedom and freedom of speech, should not infringe on your neighbor.
    Your freedoms of 1 and 2 carry a responsibility, they are not given but earned. They are not a God given right, they are earned.
     
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    What?
     
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    Your question isn't relevant. My statement was about censorship not vl the veracity of the claim.

    He could say he's Jesus Christ for all I care.
     
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    Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

    Unless it's libel it slander it can't possibly infringe on your naighbor.
    Making up your own Constitution doesn't negate the actual Constitution.
     
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    Okay, so then protections they are granted for being a platform need to be removed. I'm fine with that.
     
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    He was censored explicitly because of that specific claim, so yes, my question is absolutely relevant.

    Do you think Children are "virtually immune" to Covid-19?
     
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    I do know, nor do I particularly care, whether you think the protections afforded to those platforms should be removed.
     
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    the veracity of his statement is not relevant.

    You either have the right to free speech or you don't.
    so my rights to free speech depend on whether or not you agree with me?
     
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    If you don't care what I have to say why in the f*** are you talking to me?

    My comment was about censorship.

    I'm not interested in verifying Trump's statements I do not care about that.
     
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    It is true that state action doctrine traditionally limits the application of the First Amendment to private actors. Earlier this year, a federal district court in Texas applied the traditional state action doctrine to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a private individual against Facebook. The court explained that “the First Amendment governs only governmental limitations on speech.” (Nyabwa v. Facebook, 2018 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13981, Civil Action No. 2:17-CV-24, *2 (S.D. Tex.) (Jan. 26, 2018).)

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...ch/in-the-age-of-socia-media-first-amendment/
    It never ceases to amaze me how the right always doubles down before they check the law.
     
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    Do you believe that children are "virtually immune" to covid-19?

    And it is not a binary choice of "free speech" or "no free speech." Even the government can impose limits on what you can say, where you can say them, and when you can say them. Private companies can impose even more limitations.
     
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    Fine, do you think improper for a platform to impose any type of limitations on the speech that takes place on their platform?
     
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    what I believe has no bearing on the subject.
    Yes it is absolutely. I can either say what I wish or I can't.
    Only if it's slander or a direct incite to violence.
    True, government protections from lawsuits based on content sould be removed.

    If they really are a private company.
     
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    No, they should not platform illegal things like child pronography or libel.
     
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    So if a platform gets government protections it isn't private.
     
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    Gee I guess it is cause that ruling was Facebook.
     
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    You cannot say what you wish if you wish to avoid negative consequences for those statements.

    A private company should not be held to the same standard as the government when it comes to restricting speech on their platform. They reserve the right - correctly so - to refuse to allow you or anyone to make statements which violate their standards.
     
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    Then why take issue with a private company making the decision that it will restrict and eliminate statements that are objectively wrong about a virus that is killing hundreds of thousands of its users currently?
     
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