Transgender women dream of being pregnant - very soon could be reality

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  1. drluggit

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    You're missing the point. The point is many fold as the article pointed out. Translation for simple then is: Hospitals make a choice to limit their risk, and doctors abide by those risk reduction measures, and it financially benefits both. If you learned something today, good.
     
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    Any type of pregnancy, fertility, or this procedure can lead to health complications — of the life of the parent is threatened I support abortion. What is the point here?[/QUOTE]
     
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    Pedophilia is against an individual that cannot consent to sexual activity, extreme to compare the two
    Prostitution should completely be legal as long as someone isn’t forced into it
    There are some well thought out arguments that minimum wage disrupts ones ability to self govern
    Labor protections were instituted because of the long term health impacts that were absorbed by by both the individual and society

    I don’t care what libertarians, progressives, or feminist agree or disagree with — it is my opinion

    Predatory lending take advantage of the poor to extract as much money from them as possible, I am not seeing how paying someone for a service compares with that?

    I agree that there is a possibility of exploration, that could be addressed through legislation if needed.
    It doesn’t seem to be the norm however, any more than people having to work to support themselves and their families would be considered exploitation.
     
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    Thank you for sharing. I do not know much about LGBT Community -- thus it would be ignorant for me to reach any conclusions.

    All marginalized groups must be given rights and support. I am proud of my Autism. Asperger's Syndrome is not only a Disability but also a set of Superabilities.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The notion that trans youth should start hormone therapy as early as possible due to the off chance they might someday want to have a baby gestating in their body is absurd, to say the least.
     
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    Why? Cis kids can delay puberty to make sure they don't go through puberty too soon. Why can't trans youths do the same?
     
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    Not familiar with it, but Heinlein for some reason I have a slight distaste for. Maybe a couple of dozen years ago or more I could have elaborated on my reason for this, but now I only vaguely remember that his writings kinda squircked me a bit....
     
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    I asked twice and never got a clear answer form you. Thankfully, another poster clarified the term

    transgender woman= man who thinks he's a woman
    transgender man = woman who thinks she's a man

    I now know that when folks speak of a trans woman it is in fact a male

    I don't know why you couldn't simply help a brother out and wouldn't answer the question
     
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    thank you

    I honestly thought it was the other way around where a trans woman was a woman wanting to be a man
     
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    He believed that poly was a legitimate valid mode of relationships and included it in many of his books and stories. That seems to be what most find unsettling about his writings.

    However in this case, that wasn't not found in the story. It was about a predestination paradox with regards to one person. Rough synopsis, and not following the story's time line. A girls is born and then stolen away from her mother. She is raised by adopted parents, and goes off to college where she meets this guy. They fall in love and then he suddenly and mysteriously leaves. She learns she is pregnant afterwards. She has a baby girl but the child is stolen from the nursery. I forget the reason, but the woman then decides to become a man. He writes romance stories for a living under a psudoname. At one point he is approached by a man who in conversation learns of the main character's past, and then offers a chance to get revenge against the man who abandoned his then female self. Main character accepts and is taken back in time to when his female self meet the child's father. While waiting to see when that man meets his female self, she runs into him and starts up a conversation. Soon they are hanging out and he falls in love with her, even while knowing it is his younger self. The the mysterious man comes back to take him away. Main character now realises that he was the man that suddenly left his younger female self. He is offered a job at a time agency that monitors history and keeps it on track. He also ends up being the one who kidnapps his child self from his female self, as well as getting a face change and taking his writter self back to meet his female self. The person is his own mother and father. These things are revealed in a different order in the story and movie and the movie adds in some more events where he doubled back in on himself without realizing it at first. The movie is actually well done and is currently free on Tubi
     
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    You looked like you were fishing for someone to explicitly use the words "think they were" as if to get a supporter to confirm that there was a delusion happening.
     
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    it must be nice to know everyone's motivation
     
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    'Given rights'? They already have the same rights as other people, what additional rights should they be given?
     
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    I didn't claim that was you motivation. I said that's what it looked like. And it looks like that because that is what others have done. But I gave you the benefit of the doubt, knowing that we sometimes put out things that can be percieved differently than we intend.
     
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    That's because it's not right at all.
    Trans woman is a woman. Trans man is a man. It's in the name, specifically the noun. It would be like saying a blonde woman is a woman who thinks shes blonde. It doesn't make any sense to frame it like that.
     
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    I do not know about LGBT community.

    People with Depression/Autism, etc. should be accommodated as much as people with physical disability.
     
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    Accommodated how? Physical disability, you can usually address with a ramp, wider doorways, barrier free workspace. Perhaps an aid for computer use.

    Depression/Autism is such a wide range of mental/emotional conditions, that it is virtually impossible to address, without inconveniencing both the employer and other employees. When it comes to being in public, how would businesses address this? Lower lights, sound reduction?

    With all due respect, I'd like to be accommodated for my physical limitations too, but asking for a bathroom every 30 feet is a bit much on the public, eh? Why do you believe it is necessary for everyone else to adjust to your needs, without you making some adjustment for other people?
     
  18. kazenatsu

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    But the rate of health complications for trans women (with a surgically transplanted uterus) will obviously be much higher, and thus presumably the number of abortions that will happen.

    Why would you do something now when you know an abortion is likely going to need to happen as a result of that in the future?
    Oh, wow, wait, I forgot... Now I'm seeing a huge parallel between the trans pregnancy issue and the abortion debate...
     
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    Again, health complications increase with age, fertility treatments, and numerous other items that increase the chance of an involuntary abortion — but all of these people are actively seeking to have children so wanted abortions would be significantly lower than in the general population.

    You keep throwing out the word likely — I don’t believe these procedures will likely lead to an abortion, it might at first but as the procedure is perfected it will decline precipitously.

    Such as?
     
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    Don’t, that was exactly what he was doing.
    Feel free to review his post history for confirmation
     
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    The LGBT community want the same “accommodations” everyone else already has — protections from being fired without just cause, rental and housing protections, the right to not be harassed in the workplace. The only item that would even remotely be considered a special accommodation would be the bathroom issue for trans people.
     
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    That's kind of a meaningless and irrelevant statement in this context we are discussing.

    Not logical in this argument.

    You're making the claim that the rate of abortions in those examples would be "lower" than the general population. How do you even compare the two? Where would be the baseline. How would you compare the rates?

    Presumably you're making the allusion and implication that a pregnant trans woman would have a lower chance of having an abortion than an average pregnancy from an average woman. But is that really true? Would it still hold true for later term abortions?

    Are pregnant trans women going to have a lower rate of abortion than older women who sought fertility treatments?
    Is this the slippery slope argument Catholics have been warning about?
     
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    His use of the term "wanted abortions" would indicate that he is talking about abortions for reasons other than health/life treatening conditions. Right now the only thing on the medical radar is uterus transplant, not overies transplant (although I would not put that out of the realm of future possibilities). So a trans woman with a transplanted uterus would not be able to get pregnant without IVF. So it seems that the claim is that transwomen with the transplanted uterus would not be getting abortions any more than any other woman who gets intentionaly pregnant, whether through "traditional" methods, or artificial insemination or IVF.
     
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    Being fire without Just Cause applies to everyone, so that right is equal across the board. Of course, it also means everyone who is fired without just cause, is also entitled to unemployment, chargeable to the employer.

    Harassment is already covered, in a multitude of ways, by Federal and State.

    Remove all multiple stall bathrooms, and have single stall bathrooms instead.

    That doesn't address my medical issues. So, we need a law that requires all businesses, governments and private entities to install a bathroom (private, of course) every 30 feet to accommodate me and others who also have the same medical condition.
     
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    It is perfectly legal in most states to terminate, deny housing, or refuse services to LGBT persons.

    While your condition is terrible, it isn’t possible to have a level of public accommodation to place bathrooms every thirty feet.
    Employers would likely be required to position you near a bathroom and could not terminate you over it.
     

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