Trump looks to temporarily bar US citizens returning from abroad

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...-suspected-having-covid-19-entering-us-2020-8

Uh, Mr. President, it is a bit too late. This would have made sense in January. These days, OTHER COUNTRIES should be banning us from going there (and they are). What is the big risk of people returning from abroad? There isn't a single country in the world where the situation is worse than here. In this, we are #1.

But yes, a tight quarantine for those returning from abroad would have made sense in January and February, when we could still have contained this. At the time, Mr. President, you barred foreigners but you allowed American citizens and permanent residents and their relatives to enter at will. From China alone, 40,000 entered.

So, only NOW, in August, you realize that it was a bad idea and you want to reverse course? Huh, Mr. President, the cat is out of the bag.

I'm all for correcting a mistake, and I've applauded you for doing that (restarting an office for epidemic control, finally endorsing the use of masks, etc.) but this really oddly strikes me as really far-fetched, that only now you think of restricting these entries, when everyone in the world is running scared of Americans. In Canada, as per a thread I've posted, they are scratching and vandalizing cars with American plates to discourage us from illegally crossing the closed borders between our two countries.

I think this move NOW is just to appear tough, for electoral purposes. But it is too little too late.

 

This **** reads like the same bit of idiocy of folks demanding that the wall be built between US and Mexico because the numbers in Mexico were starting to grow.

FFS, Americans are the "disease carrying foreigners" right now. Other countries are already banning Americans from entering their country because we have the worst outbreak of the virus of any country on the planet.

 

Actually, Brasil is doing worse but only because their president declared Trump right and followed in his missteps.

 

I'll be interested to follow this thread. Back when Trump shut down travel from China but allowed 40K Americans to return from abroad, his supporters here were asking if we were serious - if he should have left Americans stranded. Well, now it appears he has. What now brown cow?

 

Only a few countries target Americans in their travel bans, and mostly as a reciprocity measure.

Are you so naive as to think that countries like Russia are accurately reporting their infection rates? Do you think Uganda tests more than the US does?

This thread is an illustration of how naive some on the left are.

 

Please list the countries that banned the entry to their countries specifically to Americans. Please skip China, the EU, Iran and North Korea, as those are reciprocity bans.

 

Don't get hung up on tests, Uganda notices when someone dies. That's the number to worry about.

 

Contact trace them wherever they might be, and sit 'em down where they are, wherever that might be.

 

This is a subject to how money flows within each government and the politics in that country. Almost nobody dies of COVID-19. The death could be diagnosed as pneumonia, blood clots, gangrene cause by blood clots, etc.

 

People that live with ebola know who to test, why to test and do so religiously. You are wrong. Period.

 

What does Ebola have to do with this? Where exactly am I wrong?

 

You are saying that testing isn't going on in Uganda and they attribute covid-19 cases to other things. You are wrong. Period.

 

No I’m not.
Look into Russia - they don’t have that many cases, and some of their doctors mysteriously threw themselves out of their windows after they complained about availability of tests and supplies.
The US has some of the best healthcare systems in the world. I’m saying as someone who was born in another country and has the basis for comparison. The numbers reported by countries like China, Russia, all of Africa and quite a few other cannot he taken seriously.

 

The EU has a ban on Americans entering the region which does not apply to countries like Uganda or Peru.

 

The deaths very much can be accepted as accurate from Africa. We don't screw around with viruses. Just because Trump wants to doesn't mean others do.

 

Let me refresh you memories - back in January when Trump imposes the restriction, the EU, along with mass media and all leftists, were outraged at Trumps decision and immediately imposed a reciprocity ban. I bet if I were to dig around in this forum I can find your own posts condemning Trump for that move.
The restrictions on EU are still in place, as far as I know, therefore they won’t lift their ban till Americans do the same. The ban that was imposed by EU in the first place was political in nature.

Now, let’s get back to your original claim where you said countries don’t let Americans to enter. I’m still waiting on that list of countries who specifically banned Americans from entering and who didn’t impose this ban due to political differences.
I’m waiting...

 

The EU is such an example even if you think the reason that they implemented the ban was political.

This is your list of countries (34) where Americans can travel right now. Relevant note: There are over 200 countries in the world.

Complete List Of Where Americans Can Travel Right Now:

• Albania – July 1
• Antigua and Barbuda – June 4
• Aruba – July 10
• Bahamas – July 1
• Barbados – July 12
• Bali (Indonesia) September 1
• Belarus – July 15
• Belize – August 15
• Bermuda – July 1
• Brazil – July 30
• Croatia – July 1
• Dominica – August 7
• Dominican Republic – July 1
• Dubai (UAE) – July 7
• French Polynesia – July 15
• Grenada – August 1
• Haiti – July 1
• Jamaica – June 15
• Maldives – July 15
• Malta – July 11 (pending exception approval)
• Mexico – June 8
• North Macedonia – July 1
• Rwanda – June 17
• Serbia – May 22
• Sri Lanka – postponed
• St. Barths – June 22
• St. Lucia – June 4
• St. Maarten – August 1
• St. Vincent and The Grenadines – July 1
• Tanzania – June 1
• Turkey – June 12
• Turks and Caicos – July 22
• Ukraine – July 20
• U.S. Virgin Islands – June 1

 

Just shut your ears and scream “La-La” as loud as you can! Russian is my first language. Ukrainian is second. I read news and editorials in those languages daily and there are lots of articles out there describing how deaths were purposely reclassified, or ignored altogether. It’s not difficult to communicate to local leaders that they’ll lose their jobs if their numbers get too high. In the US Trump can’t fire a governor or a mayor. This is an exception to general rule where in most countries the head of state can easily fire or jail local officials. I’d say, from the perspective of the structure of the government, the US is unique in this world.
So, when you claim that the US is absolutely worst in the world when it comes to COVID-19, you just demonstrate how naive you are.

 

This list is misleading.
Americans can’t travel to countries not on this list not because there was a specific ban on citizens/residents of the US, but because there is a blanked ban on everyone.
Look for Canada as an example. According to their rules no one can travel to Canada for tourism or leisure. Then that rule has some exceptions to it. One of the biggest exceptions - out of all foreigners, Americans have fewest rules applied against them. That means, that while technically you can’t go to Canada and say you want to watch Niagara Falls, you can easily enter saying that you need to buy medication for your grandma. Canada makes it harder for citizens of EU to enter than to Americans.

So, whether you realize it or not, you are spreading half-truths and attempt to make a political point based on information taken out of scope and context.

 

Not a lot of Russian nor Ukrainian spoken in Africa.
But they've done a hellava lot better job protecting their populations from covid-19

 

Ok, you don’t get it.
I’m done here.
Have your last word, I don’t care.

 

True, but Brazilians are already banned for entry.

Funny illustration because I'm not a leftist. Why the knee-jerk that if one criticizes anything that Trump did, one is a leftist? I've praised some of Trump's actions many times here, especially the Warp Speed initiative.

Anyway, you do have a point that I went by official numbers and that's a mistake, I acknowledge it, because yes, there are poor countries that aren't testing enough (with enough testing Brazil would be probably shown to be worse than we are) and yes, certain authoritarian regimes do cook the numbers. I stand corrected. My point that this ban is too little to late remains, though.

 

Again, too late for that. Contact tracing works when there is no or limited community transmission. We are getting at least 50,000 new cases per day right here, without involving arrivals from abroad. We simply don't have the personnel to contact-trace everybody and it would be a drop of water in the ocean anyway. The time for this kind of epidemiological control has passed, out of our omission in not doing it when it could have helped. Not to forget, backlog of tests is such that by the time a test result returns, it's too late anyway to quarantine that person.

 

He's a lazy one-trick pony

 

Tests are vital in preventing the spread and identifying hotspots for medical preparation.
I live in the DR Congo population 83 million. Before we even had any cases here a mass social distancing campaign began. We've done them before on a regional basis for Ebola and measles but this was the first national campaign. When cases did arrive everyone in contact with that person would be tested and home quarantined until given the all clear. Just like we do for Ebola. We know how important that is and people respect the rules.
No, we do not have the resources to do massive testing but because of the limited number of cases we don't have to.
No one hides a body or the cause of death it would be grounds for seriously pissed off neighbors.
This is why our death toll is accurate. It's also why we only have 228 dead and that's the number that counts when measuring severity. Tests are for measuring and preventing spread and directing resources.