Trump on Covid death toll: 'It is what it is'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/04/politics/trump-covid-death-toll-is-what-it-is/index.html

When asked why America was doing so much worse on deaths as a percentage of the population, trump brought out a graph with five lines, misunderstood what it said, and then - in response to the reporter saying "I am talking about deaths as a proportion of the population," Trump responded with,

"You can't do that."

Trump also said that "many experts say that you can test too much." When the reporter responded by saying, "Who says that?" Trump said, "Read the pamphlets."

The type of ineptitude and idiocy and completely unwillingness to accept any blame for his failures is one of the main reasons why America is getting so ****ed by this virus.

 

Hmm... Perhaps we could just take all the deaths caused by Cuomo and the NJ governor and their little science experiment for putting infected folks in nursing homes out of the national statistics.. Half the deaths come off the table. And then, we just charge Cuomo and Murphy for their murderous intent.

 

Just as long as we never hold that incompetent, self-serving RINO in the White House accountable, right? It's always someone else's fault. He is a very stable genius and it's only everyone else who screws up, and his sociopathic father raising him to think this way and project this onto the rest of the nation through the lens of national politics has nothing at all to do with it.

 

"I credit Trump for all good things and blame everyone else for all things bad."

@drluggit

 

Neither New Jersey nor New York are the reason that 1000 Americans are dying every day from covid-19 right now.




@drluggit

 

Continued fear mongering over a mild flu virus...

0.045% of the population is not a "pandemic", "epidemic", "crisis", or even a "situation"... It is statistically insignificant...

Take a deep breath... Relax... It'll be okay.

 

Precisely! That's where a good chunk of these deaths came from... idiotic policies such as theirs...

 

Hold him accountable for WHAT, exactly? What has he done wrong and why was it wrong? Be specific.

Note that I am not claiming that Trump has done nothing wrong. I have some qualms with him as well... I'm simply asking you to flesh out what you are saying so that it holds at least a shred of meaning...

 

He never said any such thing.

Mantra 30 (bogus position assignment).

 

Those 1,000 Americans are not dying of COVID. They are dying of pneumonia and similar complications that came about after becoming infected with COVID. They are also dying from other causes unrelated to a flu bug but just happened to contract COVID before dying... The common flu could have "killed" those Americans all the same.

Even going along with the poor argumentation line of "those people died solely from COVID-19"... a 0.0003% death rate is statistically insignificant...

 

@gfm7175 does not understand how pandemics are defined or he believes that he alone can make the definition and everyone else must agree.

As for the things that Trump has ****ed up...

He lied about the virus repeatedly when he said it would "disappear like a miracle," that it would "go away in April," and that he was not worried about it becoming a pandemic "at all."
He downplayed the thread of the virus repeatedly when he said that it is "completely harmless for 99%" of the cases and when he said that the number of cases was "going very substantially down, not up."
He touted the benefits of the virus when he said he was "glad that people would spend more of their vacation money inside the country."
He lied about testing when he said "anyone who wants a test can get a test" and when he said "there are people who say you can test too much."
He has proven himself a complete ****ing moron when it comes to the virus when he said things like "you can't" compare the number of deaths as a percentage of the total population and when he said "when you test, you create cases."
He has attacked people for wearing masks because they were being "politically correct," because they were "showing their disapproval for him," and because "they look weak."

And finally, Trump has ****ed up because there are 150,000 dead Americans in just a few short months from a virus that he promised would go away like a miracle.

 

Even with a perfect response from the president, tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands of Americans would've died from the virus.

 

@gfm7175 wants you to believe that Covid-19 is not a causal factor in the death of the 1000+ Americans dying every day. Recognize that his logic would mean that people never die from AIDs either.

 

Tens of thousands? Probably.

You can look to the number of deaths as a percentage of the population from other countries like Germany or South Korea and recognize that this virus was always going to suck and, given the size of the US population relative to those countries, the number of deaths would almost certainly be larger.

Hundreds of thousands? Less likely.

The very earliest models - the one explicitly rejected by the Trump administration - estimated a best case scenario of 200,000 deaths with a lot of mitigation. The model that the Trump administration embraced estimated that anywhere from 35,000-190,000 would die and the median estimate was around 85,000.

 

You do realize that COVID is the cause of death with those other conditions as co-morbidities, right? And you realize this is how the medical community has classified deaths since long LONG before COVID-19, right?

 

Or old age. Or cancer. Or pretty much every medical condition.

"He didn't die from heart disease durr durr durr, he died of a heart attack".

 

My oldest sister and I were talking (note, she absolutely loathes Donald Trump). We were talking about how thought the governor has issued a state wide "wear a mask" order and emphasized that order by announcing that any business could call the police to enforce the mask require........that virtually no small businesses were bothering to require masks and none of them called the police. Only some of the big box retailers like Walmart and Home Depot made any effort to enforce the mask wearing.

And in fact, the police in more than one area has announced to they will not respond to calls over someone not wearing a mask and they were telling businesses to not bother calling them anyway as it isn't an actual state law being violated.

Given that, my sister (remember, she hates Trump) agreed with me that no matter what the president did, Americans were never going to be willing to wear masks in public consistently or to social distance for several months consistently.

 

A) I still think your icon is incredibly similar to the Nazi symbol.

B) I still disagree about the impact of Donald Trump altering his behavior earlier. Of course there would be some resistance and likely a large enough resistance that this virus would still spread and cause destruction. But it is important to note that a majority of Republicans do not trust the CDC or Dr. Fauci, but 70% trust Donald Trump. And after Trump started to change his tune on mask wearing personally, the percentage of Republicans who said that they wear a mask in public, some or all of the time, shot up quite dramatically.

 

It's true, even Trump with his cult leader status does not have the power to compel a large number of folks to wear masks. It certainly wouldn't hurt if he'd not spent months sticking his nose up at them, but his starting to wear them hasn't exactly caused a sea change in those of his followers who are too patriotic to care about other Americans.

 

Correct. It does not cause people to die.

People die from HIV/AIDS. It destroys their immune system.

 

Hmm... when did mr Trump put folks in nursing homes so they could die? I don't recall him giving that order.

 

Nah. I just don't pick everything that sucks and attach it to him. For folks like you who do, I know it drives you cra cra.....

 

Which doesn't negate the facts that half of those who died so far are from those states and specifically nursing homes in those states. Try again.

 

"Comorbidities" which were NOT going to kill these people...but were the reason that the virus DID.

You can live a very long time with a comorbidity...not so much if you have that and catch this virus.

It'll kill ya dead

 

You do realize that huge numbers of people claim they do something if it is presented to them as a "positive good"? Even if they don't do it. IIRC something like twenty times as many people claim they floss their teeth than actually do it. Or do daily exercise.

As one doctor once said "Ninety percent of my patients jog 5 miles a day!"