Trump Sues NYT and Niece—Who Calls Him ‘F*cking Loser’

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    If he wants to sue he has that right. That said, when the lawsuits against Trump are ready to be heard, Trump is going to get a good whif of the responsibility of his words and actions.
     
  2. Hey Now

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    I think you are correct. It's an intimidation tactic that works if you don't have deep pockets and supporters funding the lifestyle and frivolity.
     
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    And her opinion is not colored in the least for what transpired about what she felt she was owed from the inheritance.

    And by the by, no one is ever 'owed' something from an inheritance.
     
  4. Reality

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    If she signed a confidentiality agreement that covers the records she provided, then she's fairly caught
     
  5. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Couldn't say, but that doesn't mean she's wrong or being dishonest.
     
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  6. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sounds right. Trump is a bigtime loser who calls himself a winner endlessly. It took reality TV and politics for those lies to be believed by any significant number of people.
     
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  7. mdrobster

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    Agreed, and one step further, she also stated Trump would never accept the election lose.

    Not sure Trump's legal team has thought this out. Should this lawsuit take the next step forward, all those who he is suing will get to subpoena his own company records during discovery.
     
  8. Durandal

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    Is there even anything left to discover at this point? With the case against Weisselberg and additional indictments expected, I think the Trump Org's dirty secrets are already coming to light.
     
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    And it doesn't mean she isn't rearranging facts for the best impact according to her anger, either.
     
  10. Durandal

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    Doesn't mean that she is, either.
     
  11. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    She's a PHD, his academic record is so bad he won't release his grade transcripts, fought to keep them secret ( you think if they were great Trump would not be boasting about them? Of course he would and the only reason he is not lying about them because people will demand proof via the transcripts) not to mention 5 deferments the last one of which was bogus bone spurs, not to mention his blizzards of lies since he's been on the polilitical scene, the bedrock of his campaign was founded on Obama being born in Kenya and now his is propagating the big lie that Biden didn't win.

    Who ya gonna believe?

    Certainly not him.

    Unless YOU are gullible.
     
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  12. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, everyone doesn't, even some families do not have truth tellers.
     
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  13. cristiansoldier

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    I think this lawsuit sounds legit. I am not sure if the New York Times can be held accountable but I think he has a real case against his niece. If she signed and NDA and then stole documents and gave it to the press it seems like a strong case to me. Also I think if they can show the Times coordinated with her by giving her advice or resources to commit the crime they could be found guilty too.
     
  14. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Her NDA was about the matter of her settlement for Trump screwing her out of her share of the Fred Trump inheritance.

    First off, Donald tried to impose the 'NDA' to stop her book. A judged ruled that the NDA didn't apply to the book.

    Obviously, she has consulted with lawyers to determine if she had violated an NDA, and it's clear she hasn't.

    What are the odds she's in the clear on releasing his financial records she had in her position?
     
  15. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump tried the NDA routine to stop her book, and a judge ruled against Trump.

    I'm fairly certain she has cleared this with lawyers, and she is in the clear. She's a PHD, i.e., not stupid.
     
  16. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    She didn't steal anything, she didn't even know she had the documents until someone else told her.

    Trump tried to use the NDA to stop her from publishing her book, and a judge ruled in her favor.

    She's pretty smart, we can be safe in presuming she has cleared this with her lawyer.
     
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    How did she get the documents? I thought they were taken from the corporate office?
     
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    Without reading the actual lawsuit (knowing his legal team, I'm assuming written in crayon), I'm stumped as to why he would civilly sue the NYT here. If there's no alleged criminal activity, how can what 3 reporters did in taking information from a source and publishing it result in a civil suit??

    SNIP
    The former president's lawsuit also accuses the Times' journalists of "tortious interference" with the settlement agreement, among other claims, in how they "relentlessly sought out Mary Trump and intentionally procured her breach of the Settlement Agreement." The Times' Susanne Craig, David Barstow and Russ Buettner are named as defendants.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/poli...rump-new-york-times-tax-disclosure/index.html

    I can (barely, on the distant horizon, with binoculars) seeing a suit against Mary due to the omnipresent T**** private agreements, but I don't see the NYT part going anywhere....
     
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    Insert J Jonah Jameson "Wait... you're serious" meme..................

    As an attorney, I cannot tell you how many "not stupid" ;) phds I've dealt with who put the lie to that statement.
    A PHD is a person who has incredibly focused and narrow knowledge of a very particularized subject. They're an expert in their narrow field only, and are a lay person for all other purposes. In fact, because of their often inflated opinion of their own competency, they are often worse to deal with than a regular lay person. Normally, a lay person understands intrinsically that they are coming to the expert for advice and should follow that advice. Doctors and Engineers tend to forget that simple fact when it comes to the law.

    I would be willing to bet she did not clear it with her own lawyer, since she had to 'smuggle' the documents out of his office. That tells me her lawyer knew the agreement would be violated and so refused to release them voluntarily from custody.
     
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    I generally agree with the part about the case against Mary, but Mary Trump didn't "steal documents" or commit a "crime" here.... it's strictly a civil matter...

    And I've never heard of somebody being sued for giving advice to break a civil agreement... unless there was some coercion involved, in which case it could be a criminal case..

    If you saw the move "The Post", are you going to sue the Bob Odenkirk character for "convincing" Ellsberg to give his Pentagon Papers to the WaPo?? I don't think so...

    It's not a great analogy, but it's about the only parallel I can think of, although certainly T****'s crap empire doesn't compare to the Pentagon Papers historically...
     
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    Both have something to sell making believers of either one gullible.
     
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    Noooo, the 'everyone' I am referring to the the 'everyone' who has beaten Trump in Court! I'll ignore the rest of your comment.
     
  23. Patricio Da Silva

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    Don't know, have to google it. They were taken from some office, and she was allowed to remove them because there were more than one copy, or something like that.
     
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    She's not stupid.

    That being said, it takes a certain amount of intellectual prowess to achieve a PHD.

    That being said, one can make the same argument about passing the bar exam, noting that I've seen some dumb lawyers in my time, namely one Sidney Powell.

    However 'intelligence' ( intellectual capacity, IQ, whatever) is really the wrong term. I believe the more correct descriptor should be 'wisdom'.

    My empirical observation has led me to conclude that if intellect and wisdom reside in the same human being, it's a coincidence.

    In that light, I would suggest that Mary Trump is wiser than Donald Trump, in many respects. But, Trump is clever, which is a separate talent altogether.

    I do believe she is wise enough to clear the material with a lawyer, or two, or three, before putting it out. After all, DJT has been known to sue for frivolous reason in the past. She knew she might be sued by DJT, yet she did it anyway. Aren't you going to give her that much credit? I can see only one reason she did it; she sincerely believes Trump must be stopped, because he is a threat to the national security of the United States. Her reason is, therefore, a noble one.

    If you believe otherwise, I would question your wisdom quotient.

    But, that's just me. Perfectly willing to debate it, though.
     
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  25. Patricio Da Silva

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    I think my rebuttal is far more compelling yours.
     

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