Trump was correct, children are basically immune

Ok, I will amend that statement to be more clear and repeat my statement about critical thinking.

Kids being infected with the virus is of little concern to the health of the kids as they are nearly immune from the disease. That was Trump's point and he is correct.

This thread demonstrates that critical thinking has not been taught and/or learned in our modern culture.

 

They are not immune to the disease, they are nearly immune from death from the disease.

 

And when little Johnny and Mary come home from school and kisses grandma and cuddles up with grandma for a bedtime story, the kids have a good chance of never having to do those icky kisses again after a little while!

Gee, Republican "immunity" is not just for their immunity from prosecution from District Attorneys for fraud anymore.

 

You didn't understand my post.

 

No one is claiming that kids cannot transmit the virus, that is a differnt discussion.

 

Children typically are not super spreaders. They seem to lack sufficient levels of ACE2 enzymes in their upper respiratory tract for the virus to infect cells (the virus needs the ACE2) so they seem to get a small viral load and thus they typically develop very mild cases of the disease, and they shed fewer viruses, also at a low height that typically isn't face to face with an adult.

Here, from the British Medical Journal, one of the top five medical journals in the world:

https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618

"Children are not COVID-19 super spreaders: time to go back to school"

It seems like children can receive the infection more easily than they can pass it on. So the risks for their teachers and for the adults in their families is small.

Now, this advantage seems to fizzle at about the age of 12... Older children have more ACE2. In most countries that have reopened schools, worsening community outbreaks and even school outbreaks were not seen among elementary school students (there was the famous case of a positive student in central Europe who interacted with 100 others in school and a ski resort and managed to infect... nobody). Outbreaks, though, were seen particularly in Israel among middle school and high school children including with teachers catching it.

It is false to say that children are immune. They aren't. And some do die after they catch COVID-19, usually from MIS-C which is an inflammatory syndrome associated with COVID-19 in children. But very very few die of this (in a recent paper analyzing 183 cases of likely COVID-related MIS-C in the United states, 4 died). At some point in my posting history I calculated the likelihood of death for the whole school-age population at about 0.02%, which is lower than the mortality rate for children for tuberculosis, meningitis, the seasonal flu, and school bus accidents, and these typically don't lead to widespread and prolonged closings of schools.

The bottom line is that I think it is safe to reopen elementary schools both for the children and for the adults who interact with them (teachers, family members). It may be less safe to reopen middle schools and high schools. I think they should still reopen but with a series of precautions (open windows, fans, masks, social distancing, hand sanitizers, temp checks, testing, segregating students in pods, staggering classes to avoid overcrowding in corridors, etc.). For elementary schools I think not even these precautions are necessary but I'm sure parents would freak out without them, so, likely superintendents will want precautions.

 

No it is not a "different discussion".

Children CAN and DO contract the virus, although it is not usually causing symptoms or death (but some have!)

AND children, like everyone and everything else, can transmit the virus without contracting it, too. From hands, fingers, lips, lunchboxes, pencils, computers and anything else. But that is a different discussion, kind of, except except it is another reason kids shouldn't to school, public or private, without strong precautions. Although a kid could clean itself enought to not kill off grandma and grandpa!

 

People squashed together on the bus and trains is okay. Kids in school not okay.

Groovy.

 

Again, it is best to consider these issues from the standpoint of science rather than impressions that may seem to make sense but sometimes are not very accurate.

Children can and do contract the virus, and while some do die, it's very very rare (0.02% in a calculation I engaged in, at some point in my posting history). But children especially younger than 12 are not efficient transmitters to adults. Not only because they are less susceptible to having the virus in their upper respiratory tract (due to low levels of ACE2 enzymes which are essential to the virus), but also because that's what experience shows: in an analysis of index cases in households, that is, who was the first infected person there who passed it on to other family members, children were almost NEVER the index cases even when they were infected. So grandma and grandpa are probably safe from the little ones. Their adult sons and daughters are much more dangerous to them, and HAVE been index cases that spread it to grandma and grandpa. Next, hands, fingers, lunchboxes, pencils, computers and everything else are nowadays seem as rare means of transmission (no more than 2% of cases), and are nothing that a Chlorox wipe or simply water and soap can't take care of.

Parents remember how children passed on to them common colds and the flu... I know, I raised two. But that simply doesn't seem to be the case for COVID-19, like the paper I linked to in post #107 shows, and others I've read as well. It's another of those multiple ways in which this virus is VERY different from the influenza virus (which does regularly pass to and from children and does regularly kill children). So, people get used to thinking in terms of the influenza virus, but the SARS-C0V-2 simply doesn't behave the same way.

 

Oh now you've done it - you're disrupting the lunatic liberal COVID Hoax narrative.

 

I may have to revise what I said above. I just learned that in the 2nd half of July 97,000 children tested positive, a 40% increase in previous trends, according to a report published by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association. Another study said that children under the age of 5 carry a higher viral load than adults. At least 86 children have died since May. Last week, a 7-year-old boy with no pre-existing conditions became the youngest coronavirus victm in Georgia. Sure, it's still anecdotal and it's still rare for children to die, but maybe a bit more caution is in order, contrary to my own post above.

I could post more details and links to the above but I have no time now. See ya.

 

N U T S !!!

Again an example of lies, fake news and half-truths of the COVIDIOT Donald Trump ... and others then spread this mental BS with "Trump is so right ..."!
Damn it ... is it so hard to look closely on an issue and not just spread the idiot's mental garbage around?


Fact Check:

Due to their immune system, which is still "knitted" differently, and which has to deal with many special diseases of children, children are significantly less likely to develop COVID-19 / SARS 2 than adults and especially older people over 50! Therefore, of course, significantly fewer children die from the virus ... but that does not make children more immune!
It is true that the disease naturally breaks out less often in children ... but that does not mean that they cannot get the virus and then infect other people!
Mom, dad, grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle will thank you if the child without wearing a mask becomes infected at school and then spreads the virus at home!

Always these miserable and lousy attempts by Trump's supporters to talk his inability and failure to deal with the virus nice and to twist facts as now. But what else can you expect from these people when they are supporters of the "King of Fake News" and just emulate their idol, eh?

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/97000-children-coronavirus-july_n_5f30df37c5b6e96a22b496f7

338,000 "immune" kids have contracted the virus and 97,000 in just the last two weeks of July

 

338,000 + test results in children

 

One would think in that family situation appropriate at home safeguards would be implemented or parents would choose to home school.

 

How many died?
Answer is 0.01%= basically immune.

 

How many passed the infection on to others...THAT is the issue

By the way SOME...did die

Tough **** there huh?

 

Immune means they cant get it. FFS

We also do not know the lasting effects of the virus. The medical community does say that their can/will be lasting effects to the respiratory system. But hey, who knows more, the Dr's or the politician ?

 

Trump lied once again. Children are not "basically immune" to Covid-19, not even if they guzzle down disinfectants for breakfast every day.

They are susceptible to contracting and transmitting the disease.

No public health authority would make such a ludicrous and irresponsible claim as Trump who has no qualifications in medical matters.

Trump's true believers must come to grips with reality.

If they are incapable of doing so, their derangement must be recognized for what it is.

The health of the nation depends on it.

 

That would be 3380 no? Your good with that? You can live with it?

 

That is the issue? You might try reading the OP for what the issue of this thread is and I'll take your evading and attempting to change the subject of the OP as concession to it.

 

Trump lied.

Again.

 

And you arrive at that number how?
That aside a death rate of 0.01% from covid is miniscule and hundreds of children died from swine flu without a whimper from the left.