Two biracial Abolitionists from different centuries, both conceived in rape

Funny how when someone has no answers nor can they refute posts they go Off Topic and attack the poster...

 

Except in this case, my 'attack on the poster' was part and parcel of explaining and refuting the post.

He can't decipher them because you intentionally choose vague ones, and then later when confronted about it, deny the meaning that most people would assume those words carried and implied.

 

Except for the FACT that I'm not the topic.

Oh, here's that magic mind reading ability...

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and there it is again...

Ya, I deny saying something I never said...



Funny how when someone has no answers nor can they refute posts they go Off Topic and attack the poster...

You still haven't addressed nor refuted my posts on the TOPIC



That "slave" thing sure backfired on you, didn't it.........

 

Trust me! I would remember a pro choicer saying that and I would have given them hell. I raised a possible child of rape as my son ( never took the test). I remember what my wife and I went through.

What they tend to say, is that women who have been raped have an enhanced trauma to sort through, and a likely case of PSTD, and a far more complicated set of variables to weigh, that take a little more time, and a lot more understanding, than if they had not been raped and then conceived. Its outragious to think they can make as straightforward a decision, or worse yet deny them a decision and option.

The woman who has been raped deserves a right to do what she thinks she is able, what she thinks is best for herself, her family and that fetus, and what she feels comfortable doing. All options should be on her table. All options should be supported as such. All options should be legal.

This situation should not be a political football, so guys lets not turn it into one

 

Don't bring the fetus into this. You're saying that a woman is deciding that it's best for her fetus to be euthanized, all because it was conceived through a product of rape.

As if living knowing that you were conceived as a product of rape is worse than death.

I mean... really. Do we say that test tube babies are worth less?
No, obviously how the conception came about is kind of irrelevant.

 

Of course women decide all the time to terminate their pregnancies for all sorts of reasons including the complications from PTSD or post rape trauma. its none of our business why a woman chooses to terminate and its not your place to decide what a woman does with a post rape pregnancy or any other. Its her trauma, her body, her family and her call. I worked very hard to ensure that my wife made that decision outside the boundaries of the PTSD that had engulfed her and independent of what she thought I wanted. Because I did that, we have a beautiful son. had she decided to terminate, that too would have been fine in order for her to heal.

Its not about you or me. Its about her and what she wants to do considering the circumstances, the fragility of her health, the state of the family, and what she sees are best. The whole goal is to reduce all outside pressures so that whether she is in the 50% that decide to terminate, or whether she is in the 50% that decide to bring it to term, it remains a 'judge-free zone' and stays that way.

 

Let's bear in mind that an abortion will not un-rape her. Nor will it take away the PTSD of the actual rape.

Huh, what?
Are you saying you wouldn't have a beautiful son if your woman had chosen life in the previous pregnancy and given that baby up for adoption?
How is that relevant here?

So now you're okay with her aborting your son too. Now we're talking about a woman aborting a pregnancy due to rape when that pregnancy didn't result from rape!

I want everyone to see what a slippery slope the rape justification is here.

 

What abortion? The OP states that two were born from rape victums.

 

No ****, yet it is the decision of the individual as to whether they want to have a child from the forced penetration, not yours.

 

Lets bear in mind, that she needs to be the one to decide whether bringing that baby to term, will be more or less traumatic for her than terminating it will be. you don't know what it will do to her to have that baby, and you don't know what it will do to her to either give the baby up, or raise it. You do not know what aborting it will do to her either. Let her figure it out because she will be living with this, not you.

the best option here, is to help clear her emotional path free of fear, and free of guilt, as much as we can, so that she gets to be in the right 'head space' to decide. In my case, she needed to see that I really really would not leave her or begrudge her or resent this child. Once I got her to see that, the abortion and adoption options left.

 

Can we agree that the rape was 90% of the trauma, and a pregnancy might only be 10% ?

And I'd think even an abortion after a pregnancy resulting from a rape would be at least a little bit traumatic...

So I suppose the only real question would be how much more traumatic would giving birth be over the only other option.

 

No. We cannot. That is highly subjective and completely individual to the woman. they tend to all roll up into one big ball of emotional yarn that you cannot quicklydisentangle into neat categories. It depends on what she is seeing as potential consequences to keeping it, to giving it up, to aborting.

 

You know, when stuff like this happens in a hospital, it usually comes before a bioethics council.

 

In other words, she may likely not be thinking logically...

 

I think we have to draw a line. If a woman waits too long after a rape, an abortion shouldn't be allowed.


Indeed, if a woman is raped, she actually has a lot more warning and chance to recognize & deal with things earlier than a woman who gets pregnant in normal circumstances.

 

When one gets raped there are often stages of anger, hopeyessness, guilt, depression and fear that can sometimes have a disproportionate impact on decision-making. Some won't have PSTD at all. Certainly I am not in favor of pressuring a person in this circumstance to decide this quickly.

 

No 'we' don't. Present law allows for a fairly lengthy time frame regardless. more than anyone, its important that a victim of sexual violence take whatever time she can, to ensure she is in a good metal framework. Had the law demanded a quick answer, My ex-wife might not have stalled of the call, we would not have my youngest child at all, and my ex would have felt incredible guilt. My stalling for several weeks presupposed she had the time to work through all these fears and worrie, that a rush would have precluded.

 

So what? Is anyone claiming late-term abortion should be allowed if it was due to rape because it might take the woman extra time to deal with her emotions?

 

I don't know. In my wife's case she did not need to wait that long, but I can't speak for others. Its a trauma, it takes time to heal enough to make big life altering decisions. .

 

Well, if your wife kept a close watch for any sign of pregnancy and aborted as soon as conceivably possible, then I'm not talking about your wife here.
So no need to take it personally.

 

well that did not happen. It was in the second trimester. I think It took between a 5 weeks and eight weeks. Can't recall for sure. I just know I stalled the decision by three weeks after she first brought up abortion. it just was not her 'in there', that was obvious. She was a walking emotional zombie and she had been pro-life before that. I needed the zombie to go away and my wife to come back if possible to make this decision, what ever it was. Seeing my reaction as we went to appointments each week was what she needed to see. I ended up 'giving her permission', through my support, that I did not know I needed to do.

 

You just previously said she "did not need to wait that long" in your last post.


Geesh! I suppose that's all relative...


Here's a picture of a fetus in the second trimester:
https://www.familyeducation.com/sites/default/files/pregnancy_day/2010_06/ddpb17014wee_002.jpg (14 weeks gestation)
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-76ace4f461945a31908fbd905a7c1865.webp (14 weeks gestation)

learn more:
https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/week-by-week/14/

https://www.yourpregnancy-weekbyweek.com/pregnancy-14-weeks.html
Goodness gracious! I don't care if she was raped, that's far too late to be considering getting an abortion.

 

Why don't you try it and find out.

 

If I said the same thing to you, I'd get an infarction from the moderator and my post would be deleted.

 

You: "" since pro-choicers are always telling everyone women need to get abortions because they were raped."


I still haven't seen any evidence of that.....