Was killing Baghdadi a betrayal ?

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    So many times you come across as a person who supports the US and Israeli Global War Of Terror.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    That's worse than ridiculous. You should make some effort to know who your friends are. Tulsi is shallow and uninformed. I was very disappointed.

    I am not impressed with Israel, but Israel is not at the center of this terrorist mess. Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, Al Qaeda, ISIS all have their own agendas … They are not good Muslims. In fact for the most part they are the disenfranchised.. failures .. poorly educated. Not only do they attack the West, but they want to bring down ALL Arab countries.

    It may be handy for you to blame the US or Israel, but it is neither.
     
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    "Of course... the media fawned over the last Idiot in chief when we got Bin Laden. but this idiot in chief get's reamed for doing the same thing.
    this instance is proof that the media in general is full of ****. "

    "Headline News !
    "Baghdadi's forces fought valiantly against Assad - Is this how we reward our allies" :
    No you are not going to see this in the NY Times Tomorrow - not on CNN - not on Fox"

    So, where would we see it?
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    This is the risk of civil war. .. that a pernicious outside force will take over. The Syrian people have legitimate grievances against the cursed Assad regime.. That doesn't mean they wanted ISIS or Baghdadi or Sharia law.

    At some level the US government knows that. Why don't you?

    Baghdadi had NOTHING to offer the Syrian people. He just wanted to add turf to his "caliphate".
     
  5. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Baghdadi was an asset of the CIA and Mossad.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    In your fevered dreams.. Do you also think the moon walk was done in a film studio?
     
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, but I'm certain that the events of 911 were staged, an inside job with great assistance from Mossad.
     
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    Margot2 Banned

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    LOLOL.. OK.. Has their ever been a cockamamie conspiracy that you didn't embrace?
     
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    Got proof?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not that a rigid mind like yours would accept.
     
  11. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia hates the radical Islamist extremists and has big problems with these groups in the "stans"

    I have not heard anything about Russia being involved in supplying weapons to the Anti Assad forces and it seems unlikely given Russia was allied with Assad - It was Russia - the Syrian Army - and Iran who defeated ISIS/Al Qaeda in Syria. It would seem counter productive for Russia to arm the groups it was fighting against in Syria.

    Even if Russia had done this - It would not change the fact that the US - CIA was the ring leader -- Russia would then be one of our "catpaws".

    In any case -- my tax dollars go to the US - not to Russia. Regardless of what Russia might or might not have done - We know for a fact that the US was involved in arming and supplying the radical Islamist proxy army - surely you are not still trying to deny this fact ?
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't Assad''s opposition have captured some weaponry from him?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure - The spoils of war - when they took over the cities and surrounding area - often after a fierce battle - they did capture some equipment. .. certainly not TOW missiles manpads - and a whole lot of other stuff as detailed in links given previously :)

    A whole lot more was supplied from outside - than was captured from the Syrian Army.
     
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    It was a "betrayal' of the late Senator John McCain's and the former Barack Hussein's plans to keep terrorism alive and well in the middle east
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gotta keep that 1 Trillion dollar per year Gravy train flowing into the MIC. Peace is not good for profits. One must have enemies.

    This is pure unadultered wild speculation - but who knows in this Orwellian propaganda state - you almost have to guess :)

    The global effort to arm this radical Islamist proxy army - pouring tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment into the region - tens of billions of dollars - got out of hand.

    In 2 short years this insurgency took most of Syria and set up a caliphate -Islamic State (IS) Dark age draconian courts were set up in all the cities - full on head chopping and other inventive ways to kill people - posted on the internet. A fkn nightmare.

    This is in a land where the people - have more freedoms than almost any other Muslim nation sans Eastern Europe bosnia, albania and perhaps some of the Russian/Soviet "stans" where it was on par

    Syria is a "Secular" nation. - written into their constitution - no sharia. Drinking alcohol and dancing in bars - women don't need permission from a man to be educated - wear skirts and proper bathing suits - drive cars .

    No death penalty for Adultery, Apostasy, being gay, Christian Churches - and Jewish Synagogs - relative freedom of religion .. and so on.

    A modern society. BOOM - people are being hanged in the street - tortured- Full Niqab for all women .. and so on

    And the worst part is that these were our guys - our allies - "the so called Moderates".

    At some point people went - WTF - and that's when they called in Russia.

    Russia entered the war in September 2015. Very late .. why not sooner ? war started late 2011 - by mid 2013 various Islamist Jihadist groups (there were hundreds - then some bigger ones such as the Islamic Front) some from Al Nursra, and the foreign fighters - 54,000 by this time) coalesced into this caliphate - this new Islamic State that had been created.

    It was in early 2014 that this new state went into Iraq to expand the caliphate - and Assad was on the ropes in Damascus. Our dog in Syria had gone off the leash.

    but why did Russia not enter at this point ?!- as Assad was in dire straights. They don't come in "officially" - doing the first air strikes - for another 1.5 years ? - although helping Assad in other ways had begun.

    After a year of watching this new Caliphate - (that we had a hand in creating) something had to be done - and soon. We couldn't do it because we were allied with them. We were fighting IS in Iraq .. but allied with them in Syria.

    Rand Paul hit the nail squarely on CNN's "State of the Union" - in 2014.

    "I'm Not willing to to Send my son into that mess"

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

    Something had to be done - and Russia was the only one we could call.
     
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    It's a fact, and easily proven, that the CIA has been working with and supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

    It's a fact, and easily proven, that the CIA created Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
     
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    Of course you would say that.

    Not only is the US guilty of working with and supporting Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia is too. And as everyone knows, you are the resident apologist for all things Saudi. So it's only natural that you would attempt to deny the truth, which has been proven over and over again by real journalists who operate outside the CIA-controlled corporate media.
     
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    Why do you hate the truth so much?

    That schmuck was just another CIA proxy, like Bin Laden was before him.

    The CIA has been propping up this country's enemies for decades, all while claiming to protect us.

    Clearly, the CIA hates America.
     
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    ISIS is a byproduct of US foreign policy. That is a fact. Sorry if that fact conflicts with your nationalist religion, but it remains a fact nonetheless.
     
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    Indisputable proof, based on data from Stanford University and French intelligence, which shows that the CIA-backed rebels inside Syria are Al Qaeda:

     
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    Even if the intent was to supply "moderates" - we knew there was no moderates of any significance in early-mid 2012 - declassified DIA reports confirm that the radical Islamist Jihadists had taken over the insurgency - foreign Jihadists were starting to pour in to Syria to take part in the Holy Jihad to liberate Syria from Secularism" and turn it into an Islamic State.

    General Flynn (Head of the DIA at the time) goes on at length about these reports and talks about how serious concerns were raised - but not heeded. Flynn goes as far as to state that supplying the Jihadist proxy army was "willful" on the the part of the Obama Administration - not a "gosh we didn't know" moment.

    In post 215 - I postulate (wild speculation actually) that Russia was asked - or at least given the green light - to come in an clean up the mess - which they did in Sept 2015.
     
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    We don't even need to rely on Flynn's reports to know that.

    The leader of the "Free Syrian Army" openly admitted that his organization was allied with Al Qaeda.
     
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    Which begs the question - Since Obama knew that the radical Islamist Jihadists had taken over the insurgency in the early-mid 2012 - Why did Obama and Saudi Arabia arm and support this insurgency ?
     
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    A Saudi official's unintentional admission to the BBC that they're backing Al Qaeda in Syria:

    So not only do we have an outright admission from a Saudi official that they're supporting Al Qaeda inside Syria, but we also have an example of a major media organization, the BBC, completely whitewashing this admission from their reporting. In other words, a deliberate attempt by the BBC to conceal the truth from their readers.
     
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    Al Qaeda and ISIS - here is one of the FSA Colonels (Okaidi) - shown hand in hand with Ford and then shown with ISIS fighters just after they took over an air base - he then goes on to describe Al Nusra and ISIS as "brothers" .
     
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