We are about to see a check on honor and integrity.

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    We've seen many checks on honor and integrity over the years from our elected officials. From Bush and his war of terror, to AUMF to USA Patriot Act, to Obama's adoption of the Unitary Executive to the persecution of Julian Assange to the round of applause given by Congress to Juan Guaido, it has been clearly demonstrated that there IS NO honor and integrity in the US Congress.
     
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    This was current as of last January on professions of our Congresscriminals.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/members-of-congress-by-former-professions-3368253

    FWIW in 1964 the New York Slimes had an article asking if there were too many lawyers in the 88th Congress, then at 315 out of 535. Nowadays, Answers.com says there are 123 lawyers who identify as Democrats (or vice versa).
     
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    There are plentiful examples where a Supreme Court vacancy came about and was filled again --- in less time than is remaining in this year's case.

    Trump has legal authority to nominate, and the Senate has authority to be strategically spineless (and save their reelection chances) and just sit on Trump's nomination. Let it get fought in court and debated for generations, like every other Democrat-inspired assault on our political system. That's their probable option. Hunker down and wait until after the EC vote and the lawsuits get expedited to the USSC, and they will be.

    Or, do the unthinkable and commit an act of accidental patiotism and approve whomever Trump nominates.
    It's 2020, y'all. Even something that weird is possible.
     
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    Did Obama nominate Merrick Garland during an election year, or did he not?
    Answer that question.

    If he did (hint: He did) then what is all the bitching about?

    Bitch at the Senate not Trump. If you are on the left give me one reason why it was okay for Obama to do it, but not okay for Trump...........I'll wait.
     
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    I agree Trump is only doing what the law allows and he didn't break any pledges he made.
    However the Senate in general and McConnell in particular have claimed the moral low ground because they can. There may come a time that they wish their word had meant something.
     
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    You can't help yourself, eh?

    Again raising standards that Donald clearly doesn't meet in support of your argument.

    Mocking and ridicule, about a master of mocking and ridicule? Please.

    Childlike Behavior complaints about the opposition when the Donald lacks the attention span of an 8 year old.

    Yet more vapid worthless tripe claiming to hold the high ground on issues of honor and integrity.

    I assure you I will be voting for Harris over Putin's whiny little bitch.
     
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    Are you saying then that if President Trump were someone of far more appealing personal virtues that you wouldn't mind him picking another conservative for the Supreme Court?

    And would your opinion change if President Trump was appointing justice to replace Clarence Thomas?

    Aren't you putting way too much emphasis on personalities?
     
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    The greatness of a people controls the greatness of the nation they can build. When you are unable to honestly accept what is around you, unable to work with what you have instead of what you pretend is real-
    Nothing of consequence, at least nothing good, can happen for you. The left has been picking fights over everything since Trump announced he would run... and of course, complaining about anyone who points our that they created the rules of the game that they are losing. I have no problem with people shooting themselves in the foot- only with them determined to take the rest of us down with them.

    Coming up with anything that will hold water against Trump has proven to be folly, and god knows they have tried everything they could think of, and will continue to do the same.
    So is the inability to recognize one is unable to succeed at it. Reminds us of Einsteins quote regarding doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results....
    But you just keep hammering away at it, maybe the gods will give you a consolation prize just for effort.
     
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    nope...when the senate and the oval were two seperate parties, which was 10 of those times...only two got confirmed...so Obama had an 20 percent chance
     
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    DID THEY GET A VOTE?

    Who?

    Details
     
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    do your home work
     
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    Support you claims

    That's YOUR homework
     
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    i did. 29 times the president nominated in an election. year
     
  16. Grey Matter

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    I am not the subject of our conversation, in spite of your continued attempts to make it so.

    My assertion has been and continues to be that your unequivocal support of Donald Trump belies the values you claim to be paramount leadership attributes.

    You assert that you hold dear, values of honor and integrity but then argue, not that Donald has these values, but that the opposition hasn't been able to pin anything on him.

    Who is taking who down with whom?

    Who is it that has a proven track record of massive business failures?

    Who is currently in the Oval Office presiding over the greatest single year decline in the GDP in living memory?

    Who has been playing golf while Rome is burning?

    Who has had the budget deficits rise back toward just shy of a $1T? Before Covid.

    Where is the best health care plan he promised?

    How are his policies helping the rural communities?

    U.S. farm bankruptcies hit an eight-year high: court data

    How are rural hospitals doing these days?

    Why is ammo once again in such short supply? Wasn't that Obama's fault?

    He's spent a yuge amount of his career in construction and the US has a massive problem with its bridges, yet he's chosen to make his bullshit wall his centerpiece on immigration and, I guess, infrastructure.

    Keep trying to make it about me and claim that I am the one "unable to honestly accept what is around you, unable to work with what you have instead of what you pretend is real".

    Four more years of Trump will certainly do one thing and that will be to test the limits of MMT like never before.

    As Warren Buffett said, "You can't make a good deal with a bad person".
     
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    The senate has the duty to advise and consent. They didn't advise or consent Garland, the end. Nominate as you will Mr. Prez! Consent as you will senate.
     
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    I probably know more about Buffet than you do, I've been going to shareholder conventions in Omaha for many years, listened to him and Charlie personally for many hours. Buffet is a nice guy, most everybody like him. His public image is beautiful. What you don't know is that Buffet is extremely careful and selective about the companies he buys and the people he will have to work with, thus he weds out the trash in advance- and that is something a president can't do; he has to start with the entrenched congress and bureaucracies. You also wouldn't know that if an employee at any level crosses the Berkshire policies and hurts their image- In Buffets own words- "I will be ruthless." He knows how to play hardball too; he just doesn't have to do it in public. Trump does. Don't confuse "Bad" with "Tough". Trump is tough- Pelosi, her hatchet men, the "squad"- just bad. Bad for everyone, including you.

    Your comments do not show factual research. Trump's had 6 bankruptcies. He also has 600 companies- so the failure rate is 1%. The national average is that 50% of new businesses fail within 5 years. Trump's record is therefore hardly deserving of criticism. He has worked in a great deal of construction, invariably in big city environments. I doubt you know zip about the circumstances- or the fact that the unions there keep a stranglehold on construction, and working in that environment is much like a war zone. I have run construction businesses, I have had union people picket my jobs and threaten to break my legs. I didn't like the friction and constant undercurrent of working in such circumstances, and I eventually left construction and went into manufacturing. Only the strong survive in big business- and Trump not only survives, he does well and wins even against the strongest of them. That is an asset and strength, not a sign of weakness. One might say it has been good preparation for working in Washington- because the only thing consistent in Washington politics is that you will constantly deal with people whose character is based on cheating and manipulation. The concept of honor and integrity in Washington is a cultivated image that has nothing to do with reality. I'm quite sure you know that, despite it sounding like you think a president should be perhaps a virgin pure of heart, filled with righteousness... while walking the valley of death. He's not- thankfully, and he fears no evil because he's tougher than all of them. Pisses the democrats off big time. The man has guts, and the job requires a lot of that IF you do it right. Few have; Trump does.

    The political pool in Washington IS the swamp- all the people keeping positions and getting rich by trading favors, buying and selling influence, basically maintaining a comfortable level of corruption instead of taking care of the nations business... are like the alligators and snakes. Trump is the antidote, and we know that the louder they cry, the more progress he's making. So keep telling us what a bad guy Trump is for cutting regulations, ending wars, negotiating peace, boosting the economy, bringing corporations back home, cutting regulations, setting record levels of jobs, all that nasty stuff you think doesn't count for anything.

    Every squeal says he hit the target. We can almost keep score by the basis of how loud and desperate the criticism gets.
     
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    Justice Kennedy has been a swing Justice and both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have ruled closer to Kennedy than Alito. So this hasn't been a far right court. It's been a centrist court that even gave Liberals unexpected victories such as the 1964 CRA amendment out of the court, the morality of which I wholly support but there are business hiring questions going forward and the Court shouldn't be legislating but these are wins.

    A centrist court won't put abortion at risk, but neither will it expand on it either. A healthy compromise.
     
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    You mean they acted too much like Democrats?
     
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    What war did Trump end?
     
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    Turn on those sad songs
    ...
    When all hope is gone
    Sad songs say so much
     
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    Ya. Barry took care of the rest with his clinging to your bible quote.

    Have y'all pissed everyone off at this point?
     
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    Dont forget to burn n those cities down.

    (Just figured with all the above going on you might forget that nothing beats a good riot)
     

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