What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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    5.8%
  1. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Among other things, I guess. I am not an expert on ancient or even contemporary abortion methods though.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are many women who get abortions who find they can never have another baby again, due to the abortion (or past abortions).

    It's due to all the scar tissue that has formed in the interior wall of their uterus, from the uterus being scraped out.
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Only regards in which I am an extremist is that I am extremely sure about being extremely correct on this matter. You call it "extremist" where the connotation is that it is something negative. It is actually just called being principled.
     
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    Then maybe we need to improve the technology, but such improvements are not facilitated by nutjob anti-abortionist who want to regulate it.
     
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    So you acknowledge that there was a time when abortion did not exist?
     
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    I don't understand how anyone with a position like yours on that can be in favor of gun control.

    Tell me, do you only care so much about personal freedom when it comes to the issue of abortion?
     
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    No, abortion up to birth is widely considered an extreme position by the left and the right. Polling shows that you are in the vast minority.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so morality is defined by popular poll numbers of the day.
    so sad...

    At least five states now in the US have practically legalized abortion up to birth, so maybe it's not such an "extremist position" today.
     
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    Who said I was? I am fully for the right to bare arms. This is not the gun control sub though and please, stop the package-deals.
     
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    I know that I am in the vast minority and I see no reason to conform. Not that it matters, but I am neither Left nor Right, I am in a completely different dimension. :)
     
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    Ritter, are you still in favor of late-term abortions when the young girl is not choosing it, or is not in a position to be able to choose? (like in a coma on a hospital bed, or severely mentally handicapped)

    What I mean, is your position based more on your ardent belief in individual choice, or your view of abortion in a positive light?
     
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    Your question lacks a lot of context. Why isn't she choosing it? Why is it being done to her without her choosing it? Why is she not in a position to make the choice herself?

    I am not going to answer any of your "gotcha"-questions without clarification.
     
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    Yes, you certainly are.
     
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    I do not think choice is what is really essential to the matter and do not know why the Pro-Choice side chose to isolate that particular aspect of abortion and make it their core question. Choice is certainly very important, but to me, it is more a case of individual rights and of life. The Pro-Life side are actually anti-life.
     
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    I don't mean to disparage your post, and thank you for taking the time to answer, but that does sound like a little bit of a dodge.
     
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    Where exactly is the dodge? And yet again, you keep writing very short posts with claims you do not elaborate on or clarify to any extent at all.
     
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    So you acknowledge that there was a time when abortion did not exist?
     
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    I don't think there ever was.
     
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    When Susan B. Anthony was alive, that era of the US, abortions were almost non-existent, except for certain places in the country in certain circles underground.
    But that's really hard to say, because the history of abortion has become so revisionist and politicized, and not many accurate records were kept that would give an overall statistical view.
     
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    I have no idea who that is, but the voluntary termination of pregnancy is a phenomenon that has always existed. Probably even in caveman days.

    What differs us from other animals is that we can use our mind and exercise free will to come to conclusions and make decisions.
     
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    I have no doubt there would have been few moral prohibitions against it, in the vast majority of the world. I've read anthropology accounts of native tribes in Brazil who would sometimes bury a small child alive in the sand, if that child was seen as too much of a burden for the tribe to take care of, even if the mother desperately wanted to keep the child. A very harsh existence.

    The religions of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism is more against that sort of thing.
    If Christianity were completely eliminated from the US, I don't think it would be all that surprising to see a resurgence of those type of attitudes.

    Most of US/Western morality is a carryover from Christian days, even if those people are no longer religious. The cultural "norms" we (almost universally) accept as right and wrong are probably very much more influenced by Christianity than atheists realize. Get rid of Christian morality and you are going to go back to Greek and Roman days. (Most of you unfamiliar with history probably don't realize what sort of things that would entail)
     
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    How the hell do you suppose they aborted in the caves?
     
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    I think you mean that they cannot be EQUATED. Do you at least acknowledge that they are both examples of a woman having someone work on her body?
     
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    Why is someone charged for killing the fetus?
     
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    They'll try to disingenuously argue that is somehow an assault on the woman.

    Even though, logically, we can easily sense that the magnitude of those two would be very different.

    A few pro-choicers will even try to argue the woman "owns" the fetus.
     
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