What do you expect from immigrants?

Discussion in 'History and Culture' started by Margot2, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    A distinction Trump himself has been most reluctant to make. He has effectively closed down the entire American asylum system in response to illegals crossing our southern border. As you say, the two aren't really related. One is legal & one not. Trump treats both the same.
     
  2. unkotare

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    I explained in detail in another post. Read it.
     
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    I didn't say that. I said that YOU spouted off about "learn the language first!" without specifying (or likely considering at all) what exactly that means.
     
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    We still have more than ample space, resources, everything than most countries on earth. What is different now is that YOU want to play the modern-day version of the Know-Nothing.
     
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    A bigotry is a dislike or discrimination against a particular type of person, for a very specific reason. Please explain what mine is.
     
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    What do you not understand about the word 'fluent'?
     
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    No, I want to a MERIT based system - for all Western nations. It's the only fair and equitable system.
     
  8. unkotare

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    I understand that YOU very likely do not understand it. It is a relative measure and a matter of degree. For the purposes of this discussion YOU couldn’t measure, let alone evaluate it.
     
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    OMG .. really? How on earth do you think linguistics students are tested? And are you aware that there are fluency measures used in immigration processing?

    Language skills are entirely measurable. Again, it's bizarre that you think they're not.
     
  10. unkotare

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    I know exactly how. It's not what you seem to think.
     
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    The citizenship test requires only a very basic proficiency in English to pass.
     
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    Specific skills tested against specific standards in specific contexts. You have never administered such a test, have you?
     
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    I did indeed, learn a language formally. And we were tested.
     
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    What do I expect from immigrants?
    Not a damn thing.
     
  15. unkotare

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    I said "administered such a test." You were quizzed in your Jr High Spanish class, but you do not understand what you are trying to talk about.
     
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    Just in case anyone is wondering, it takes about 7 years from first introduction to learn a new language well enough to engage in serious academic work with that language as the primary medium.
     
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    And you've just embarrassed yourself. I studied a language at university. Whoops-a-daisy. And 'Spanish'? What an odd assumption. Not a lot of call for that language in my country.

    Also, you are still failing terribly to argue your point that nations which demand language skills from immigrants necessarily have a means of determining that. I live in such a nation, so you may want to tread a little more carefully. Don't want to embarrass yourself again.
     
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    Want to try that again?
     
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    What is it you think my point is?
     
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    I have no idea. You seem fixated on proving something about languages .. I'm not even sure you know what it is.
     
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    By the 3rd generation almost all immigrant families are speaking English primarily or exclusively in the home. It's been that way for many, many generations of immigrants.
     
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    You still giving out this bad info?

    I personally know people whose ancestors migrated 500 ****ing years ago, and they still speak the mother tongue at home. Just what is your problem with people doing this? Are you offended by it somehow?
     
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    Because they've been abusing the asylum system.

    In part this is a more recent phenomena, the migrants were goaded by outside political groups to do it.
     
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    Not in America, obviously.
     

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