Which part of the US will succumb, to SEA LEVEL RISE, first?

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  1. Farnsworth

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    Coal use in Asia expanded right along with the export driven economies in the last 20 years, keeping coal exactly where it was as a percentage of world energy use, around 40%. Note this is 40% of a big increase in energy use worldwide, not to be confused with the 'same amounts' of coal used as 20 years ago.
     
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    China's use of coal has risen proportionally and Germany is replacing their nuclear power stations with lignite (the "dirtiest" form of coal) power generation.
     
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    It's risen 400 feet over the last 20,000 years, so current rate of rise is 1/2 the rate of the last 200 centuries, it's slowed down quite a bit.
     
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    They're not worried in the Maldives.


    “Sinking” Maldives Clear Forests, Pave Beaches, To Construct Four New Airports For Future Tourism!

    By P Gosselin on 20. November 2020

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    Despite all the money-generating gloomy predictions of sinking islands, we reported in 2013 on how the Maldives was planning to build 30 new luxury hotels for future tourists.

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    The resort island of Landaa Giraavaru (Baa atoll), photo by: Frédéric DucarmeCC BY-SA 4.0.

    Underwater in 7 years?

    We recall how in 2012, the former President of the Maldives Islands, Mohamed, Nasheed said: “If carbon emissions continue at the rate they are climbing today, my country will be underwater in seven years.”

    4 new airports!

    Well, today the islands have not gone underwater and remains popular with tourists like never before. And to help with the job of ferrying the 1.7 million (2019) tourists to and from the resort islands, the Maldives have recently opened 4 new airports, according to German site Aero here! . . .
     
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    Very interesting!

    If The Abraham Peace Accord goes in the direction that I am hoping it will then then might be correct. We are living in a time period when it is theoretically possible to add a comparable amount of H2O to desert regions through mega-scale desalination of ocean water as is cracking and sliding off the land based Greenland Ice Sheet plus the world's glaciers......... minus.... the amount of H2O being ADDED to the central region of Antarctica.


    After the Abraham Peace Accord turn deserts green...


    "At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!" (Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory, Gershom Gale, Expanded Discussion on the HAB Theory.)

    "Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
    We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
    million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19 quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen solidly annually and added to it." (Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods, page 480)


    How much longer will central Antarctica save our coastal communities?


     
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    Anchorage Alaska has the second most extreme tides in the world after the Bay of Fundy. The funnelling effect that the land form of the Bay of Fundy and Anchorage Alaska has on tidal water should cause them to experience the effect of rising ocean levels first.


    Residents of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are facing a rather simple mathematical problem that forces us to take a rather dim view of a Carbon Tax.

    .... "If average ocean levels rose by eight to ten cms (3 or 4 inches) could high tide...
    ... rise by one meter in the Isthmus of Chignecto in Nova Scotia, Canada?
    This question is logical because the geography of Canada's Bay of Fundy produces the world's highest tides. In my part of Nova Scotia in Guysborough County there is very little funnelling of tidal waters......... so high tide is only about one to one point five meters above low tide.
    In the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy high tide levels are up by ten to fifteen meters."


    Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of Israel, California, Algeria, Qatar, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Australia, Nevada, South Africa, India or any other nation with lots of desert is really good news for the owners of the real estate along the Bay of Fundy and of Anchorage Alaska that have the second most extreme tides in the world for very similar reasons.

    High tide waters are funnelled by the Bay of Fundy into a more and more narrow area and on top of that......... the Bay of Fundy is over one hundred and seventy miles long so high tide water cannot fully drain back into the ocean before the next high tide waters pile on top of them.


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    It's more likely to be through large-scale hydrological projects like the Three Gorges dam system in China and the TransAqua project in Africa. Even though recent advances in desalination have made it economically feasible to desalinate seawater for most human uses of fresh water, the feasible scale is still microscopic compared to the natural desalination that occurs through the hydrological cycle. It now costs roughly $0.60/m^3 to desalinate seawater, so desalinating 1km^3 costs $600M. That's impressive, but still too much when we are talking about thousands of km^3/y. We just have to make up our minds to let less fresh water run into the sea and be wasted. The three big barriers to this solution, which would be very beneficial independently of any sea level considerations, are political, not technical or economic:
    1. Watersheds often cross national borders, making it difficult to get agreement to divert natural flows. That is why China conquered and annexed Tibet 60 years ago: they knew they were going to need its water.
    2. Environmentalists oppose dams because they change local ecosystems. I.e., it's OK for beavers to build dams, but not for people.
    3. The prevailing system of private landowning (except in a few places like China, Cuba and Laos) means that the benefits of improved fresh water access via hydrological projects all have to be given away to landowners in return for nothing, making it impossible to finance them.
     
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    Spiegel Article By Stefan Rahmstorf Has “Nothing In The Least To Do With Science”…”Embarrassing”
    By P Gosselin on 23. December 2020

    The world is going underwater?…Really?
    By Die kalte Sonne
    (Translated/edited, subheadings by P. Gosselin)
    “Der Spiegel” has an in-house columnist on climate issues: Stefan Rahmstorf from PIK Potsdam. His latest prank: “Why the sea level is rising faster and faster“. He writes in the introduction, citing data:
    The rate of rise has doubled during this period, from 2.1 to 4.8 mm per year.”. . . .
    New peer reviewed paper contradicts Rahmstorf

    We therefore look into peer-reviewed science and come across a very recent paper (Iz & Shum 2020) in the Journal of Geodetic Science. The authors examine much more meticulously than we have been able to do with the data set of satellite-based observations of sea level and find plenty of natural forcing variables that belie some acceleration in the short data set.

    The authors end by advising that assessments of future trends should be “undertaken with extreme caution.”

    Rahmstorf does not do this when he later concludes, “Houston, we have a problem.” What follows from Rahmstorf is the ever familiar narrative: tipping points of Greenland ice, etc. etc.. Again he ends with the well-known:

    The next two decades will determine how many island nations will sink and how many coastal cities will be flooded.”
    You can write something like that, but it has nothing in the least to do with science.

    Sloppy journalism by Spiegel? “Embarrassing”

    The “Spiegel” should correctly mark the article of Rahmstorf as “a citizen’s opinion” because it is nothing more. He neither reports the state of science nor shows the uncertainties of his own conclusions.

    Embarrassing for an oceanographer. . . .
     
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    Most of the politicized climate agenda would be embarrassing to anyone capable of shame. Are the oceans rising? Yes, they have been rising for 20,000 years. How much have they been risen? About 400 feet, or, a 1/4 inch a year. The current rate of sea level rise is half the 20,000 year average, or an 1/8th inch a year.

    https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

    Why are the oceans rising? Well, a number of reasons, ice stacked on land mass, melting and running into ocean, and seafloor spreading, which drives continental drift, changing land configuration and raises ocean floors.

    IT’S COME TO THIS: CBS Corporate Click Bait Whores Frets That Too Much Emailing Contributes to Global Warming.
    So, now enlightened, will Fake News CBS shut down its Internet server farm and/or its television broadcasting facilities?

    Uhhh, hell no. Their business model is attracting clicks and eyeballs, holding them as long as possible, and selling the attention of their audiance to advertisers who then try to sell you stuff, that is all produced by applying energy to natural resources.

    The intelligent citizen needs to read the game, realize their self-interest and in a morally responsible manner, pursue it.
     
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    Huge Database Of Studies Documenting Meters-Higher Mid-Holocene Sea Levels Swells Again In 2020
    By Kenneth Richard on 4. January 2021

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    In 2020, scientists continued to publish papers affirming global sea levels are today about 2 meters lower than they were a few thousand years ago.
    During the last interglacial (~116 to 128 thousand years ago), when CO2 peaked at just 280 ppm but surface temperatures were so much warmer that much less water was locked up on land as ice, sea levels were “at least ~7 m to ~9 m above present” and they “could have been as high as 11-13 m above present” at some locations (Muh et al., 2020).

    “Corals with closed-system histories collected from patch reefs on NPI have ages of 128-118 ka and ooids/peloids from beach ridges have closed-system ages of 128-116 ka. Elevations of patch reefs indicate a LIG paleo-sea level of at least ∼7 m to ∼9 m above present. Beach ridge sediments indicate paleo-sea levels of ∼5 m to ∼14 m (assuming subsidence, ∼7 m to ∼16 m) above present during the LIG. …. Results of this study show that at the end of the LIG paleo-sea levels could have been as high as 11-13 m above present (at localities close to North American ice sheets) to as little as 5-8 m above present (at localities distant from North American ice sheets).”
    During the Mid-Holocene sea surface temperatures were also considerably warmer despite CO2 levels only reaching ~265 ppm. Yet sea levels were about 2 or more meters higher than they are today throughout most of the globe according to an ever-accumulating body of paleo-evidence.

    Since 2019, over 40 new studies have been added to the NoTricksZone sea level database:

    Holocene Sea Levels 2+ Meters Higher
    Below is a sampling from this past year’s additions. . . .
     
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    Islands are the worst measure of sea level rise as they are not all the same. I read somewhere that most of the outerbanks we know today didn't even exist when Columbus was floating around lost. Some have more stable ground under them than others.
     
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    Yes. And in all cases of claimed large values of sea level rise it is actually the land that is sinking. And of course according to one Democrat Congressman islands may capsize. :D
     
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    The "Lost Colony" settlers landed on the Outer Banks in 1587, less than 100 years after Columbus sailed.
     
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    I believe one sea rise study has been linked to a malfunctioning buoy in Asia somewhere but I forget the particulars. One of the problems we have is that our best practices for coastal management may not have been really the best practices as we are preventing storm overwash from depositing new materials onto coastlines.
     
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    Opinion is all you wrote here, how come you didn't address post 254?
     
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    Roanoke Island isn't considered technically one of the outer bank islands because it isn't "outer". It is shielded by the outer banks east of it.
     
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    You can discuss Post # 254 if you wish. I didn't read Post # 254. Still am not going to read Post #254. Check back with me in a year, and I still won't have read Post #254.
     
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    And was shielded then.
     
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    You made this statement as an opinion:

    Now you are going to ignore a post that address YOUR unsupported statement with evidence.

    It is clear you know you have nothing to say here.
     
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    Let's make it about topics as opposed to posters.
     
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    Why do you ignore the fact that he offers nothing but an opinion, even when called on it, now you complain about me trying to inject some evidence into the discussion?

    That is funny considering that I am a long time Free Thinking Independent, not beholden to any political party with their destructive partisan politics and political ideology actions.
     
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    Maybe you will ignore this too?

    Watts Up With That?

    Aussie ABC: Coral Islands are Growing Larger, Despite Climate Change

    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    January 10, 2021

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    According to the Australian ABC, despite the ravages of global warming, most tropical coral islands in the Pacific Ocean which were investigated by the University of Auckland are maintaining their size or growing larger.

    LINK
     
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    I went back and edited my own post. If he was making it about you, I suspect you would agree with me.

    Climate is well discussed by Jack Hays.
     
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