Whose disability rights take precedent?

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  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    I do not know...

    People with disabilities deserve Rights and accommodations.
     
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    A synopsis would have helped.

    Basically, a bride-to-be had a problem with a blind friend using a guide dog at her wedding because of severe allergies to dog dander. The bride offered some work-arounds and the blind friend didn't like them.

    Easy solution - Don't attend the wedding.
     
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    "Now I am in a sticky situation and I can sense that I will be TA. I have three chronic illnesses that I take 23 pills a day for, severe asthma and you guessed it, an extremely severe dog allergy."

    Probably everyone should stay away from her and the wedding ceremony - most of all the groom.
     
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    As a person with Autism and Depression, I do not appreciate such jokes.
     
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    In public life, yes. But at a private wedding? There is no right for anyone to be there at all.
     
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    Being in the presence of a dog is more than likely an instantly life-threatening situation for this woman. My good friend is in the same situation-a service dog put him in the hospital for two days.
     
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    if one is allergic to dogs that bad, think being around someone that has a dog would be just as bad as the allergens are in the cloths, hair, etc....
     
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    was it her friend or a friend\family of the husband? I mean they almost always have their dog with them, what does she do the rest of the time

    I always wonder if religion is playing a role....

    the reality is, the bride can make her own rules and not invite anyone she wants

    "Easy solution - Don't attend the wedding"

    I agree, but this was the bride making this public, not the guest, the guest did choose not to attend
     
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    then the allergens on any dog owner would also be a threat

    I would not of made it public on Redit, would have just left it as was, she offered alternatives, the friend chose not to attend, that was the end of it

    of course, this may just be a made up story too, never know
     
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    I am hearing impaired, vision impaired, with a crush-spine injury, an ABI and limited use of my dominate arm, so as one disabled person to another, you really need to harden up... There was nothing offensive in what has been said. The joke was mild and quite harmless.

    As to the actual conundrum, I thought that everyone knows that blindness wins hands down, in the battle of the disabled. There is no pill that can make the blind see, but there are some powerful antihistamines that manage the allergies.

    Were it me, I would say to the bitch that is my alleged friend... Of course, I will go without my seeing eye dog, so long as you go blindfolded for the whole day!
     
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    I would absolutely prefer my dog be present at my wedding over any guest with an allergy. In such a case not inviting that guest is the accomodation.
     
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    I realized that I had started this thread and never responded to replies to it.

    I agree with you, but what we have here is two different disabilities that conflict with each other. Now as far as the wedding was concerned, it's a private affair and as such the bride and groom get to make the rules as to what is and is not allowed at their wedding. I had made the thread to examine the conflict in more public contexts.
     
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    True enough in itself, but I did try to point it in a more public situation with the airline reference.
     
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    A lot would depend on how clean such a dog owner is and how much exposure they have.i do know that some people are sensitive enough that such a little bit via second hand exposure would threaten them. But for others while exposure is life threatening, there needs to be a level of said exposure that second hand might not reach.
     
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    The situation is reversed in the story. The bride is the one with the allergy and the guest has the dog.
     
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    if she and this girl were really friends like she says, then she has been around her a lot probably

    but that is if really her friend or her future husbands friend, and that is also if the story is even true
     
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    There is still plenty of possible variations on how this could have played out, and yes, there is the possibility of it not even being true, as people put out these kind of stories to spin people up.

    But I am more worried about the overall issue in the public context and was just using the wedding story as a springboard.
     
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    there are many stories of Muslims refusing to let blind people ride in uber, even though when they sign up to be an Uber driver they agree to not do that

    some try to pretend it's an allergy issue, but if that was true, even having a passenger in the car that was a dog owner would cause issues

    so I am skeptical of all stories like this, especially if this was really a friend of hers, cause unless it's a new dog, and she used a cane in the past, she is already around the dog plenty, so was it really her friend, or was it her future husband's friend

    to many questions and like I said, the "friend" choose not to go, so why the wedding girl took it public is odd, why do that
     
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    Again, for some people, the allergens has to reach a certain critical level to trigger an attack. The severity of the attack is not an automatic mathematical scale of amount of allergen to severity of attack. And that is probably a cause for most of the thoughts of those without allergies. They assume either that mathematical rise or that if someone has a severe attack when trigger then the slightest amount will trigger the attack. And I'm willing to bet, and this part is just conjecture on my part, that people with severe allergies just so fear the possibility of an attack, since it is so severe, that they try to shun any exposure, even though they probably have minor exposures all the time not knowing it, and that just further muddies the waters.

    Also, drop the wedding. As I said the article was just a springboard to bring up the overall issue.
     
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    if she is friends with this blind woman as she says, then she is around her and her dog all the time

    that is what leads me to believe the women is a friend of her future husband, or the story is fake
     
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    You do realize people can become blind later in life right? This may be he case of high school friends who stay connected even though they moved many states apart, and the one woman became blind during the separation.

    But again, the intent here is more to explore the idea of one disability impinging upon another in the settings where ADA apply, which does not apply to a private wedding.
     
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    I think it's a fake story
     
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    And that has what to do with the issue in general?
     
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    I have already made my stance on this clear, if you're deathly allergic to pets, you avoid them, don't be around pet owners, don't get jobs that require you to be around pet owners, etc....anyone deathly allergic to something, can't be around people that have had that allergen all over them

    this seems to be a new trend for some Muslims, claim they are allergic to deny the blind rides in cabs, etc... (nope, if your job requires you to give dog owners a ride, then do your job or get a new job you can do, don't put yourself at risk, simple)

    I would go for a compromise, Muslims can put an alert on their phone that they refuse to take dogs, then anyone that is a dog owner can exclude them from their list of drivers
     
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