Why are Democrats stopping COVID relief stimulus?

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  1. struth

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    well your post earlier said this

    A filibuster is a political strategy in which a senator speaks—or threatens to speak—for hours on end to delay efforts to vote for a bill. The unusual tactic takes advantage of a U.S. Senate rule that says a senator, once recognized on the floor, may speak on an issue without being impeded by anyone. While various rule changes have tempered the filibuster’s power over the past century, it still offers unique leverage to the minority political party in the Senate.
    https://www.history.com/topics/us-government/history-of-the-filibuster
     
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    I took the threaten to speak meaning they will actually do so. If it gets to that point.

    The Senate has not even attempted to make anyone speak, except as you stated, Paul for 13 hrs 7 yrs ago.
    Make them speak. Not merely threaten.
     
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    I don't disagree...that's why I thought Reid's Nuclear Option was premature
     
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    Laziness or more likely, congress critters are afraid to publicly take a real stand and let the entire country see they make a stand. It could haunt their reelection chances in the future.

    Congress does not like to make strong statements because most only care about getting reelected. And We the People don't hold congress responsible to make tough choices.
     
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    Which means?
     
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    From the bill. Are you saying that nobody would have made more money by not working?
     
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    What I said was that your statement was nonsense.
     
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    I didn't say that EVERYBODY would have been paid more by not working. However, many people would have made more money by not working. Is that incorrect?
     
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    Lol...you obviously don't know what they are trying to pass and what's wrong with it, do you?
    But regardless of whether you get a second suck at the welfare teat, the first one is going to be another failed trump stunt that will be felt for years.

    https://reason.com/2020/09/21/after-the-stimulus-spending-binge-brace-for-a-big-crash/

     
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    The House passed their stimulus in May. Mitch the Bitch wouldn't touch it and waited until after the clock ran out to try and push through his pathetic bill. He could have sent it with only Republican votes to reconciliation, but chose not to. Why? Because he's a miserable bitch who gets off on screwing over anyone not already a millionaire.
     
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    The jobs are not there. Let me repeat - The. Jobs. Are. Not. There.

    Republicans would rather let Americans starve than admit that publicly.
     
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    You either misunderstand or have massive difficulty with basic mathematics.
     
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    Adopt Texas filibuster rules:

    During a filibuster, a senator is limited to topics relevant to the bill being discussed and cannot eat, drink or use the restroom during the speech. The rules also prohibit sitting or leaning on a desk or chair under any circumstances when the senator has the floor and is speaking on the bill or resolution.

    Filibusters end either when the senator voluntarily yields the floor or after three violations of the rules for decorum and debate. After the third violation, the Senate can vote on a point of order, which if sustained would force the senator to yield the floor, according to the Legislative Reference Library of Texas website.

    Filibustering senators are allowed to pause to take questions while on the floor. If someone asks the senator a question, it gives him or her a chance to stop speaking.
     
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    By giving people more money than they would make by working?
     
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    Isn't the cheque more for economic stimulus rather than people needing it?
     
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    The unemployment benefits would have made it so that some people were getting more money by not working than if they were working.
     
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    Do you know what the political purpose was?

    And they've all been asked if they support the Heroes ACT?
     
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    1) to put dems on the record supporting the socialist manifesto
    2) yep that’s why we have Whips
     
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    Except that you HAVEN'T supported your claim! :roflol:
     
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    I will forever wonder why the right is so lazy.

    Unemployment
    The plans take a vastly different approach on unemployment aid, with Republicans proposing extending -- but curtailing -- the sweetened benefits. Conservatives have argued the $600-per-week supplement adopted earlier this year as part of the CARES Act actually disincentivized some out-of-work Americans from returning to their jobs.

    Republicans and the White House called for scaling back the extra payment to $200 a week until states can adopt a more complicated system that would cap the aid at 70 percent of the income workers received before they lost their jobs. It's unclear how long it would take states to phase in the new system; some states have said it could take months.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/r...c-stimulus-bills-how-much-money-could-you-get
     
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    if you don’t know what was in the bill why do you keep pushing it?

    even Nancy P said, and it’s in the link, that all the WH request for changes in her wish list were “reasonable”
     
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    The Heroes Act includes about $1.13 trillion of emergency supplemental appropriations to federal agencies, as well as economic assistance to governments at the state, local, tribal, and territorial levels. There would be about $485 billion in safety net spending, including the expansion of unemployment benefits, increased Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits, increased funding utilities payments and job training for low-income individuals, and a 25% increase in aid to disabled veterans. There would be about $435 billion for additional rebates, which would include an additional $1200 stimulus check per individual. There would be about $382 billion for health care, which would include reimbursing health care providers for lost revenue, covering the COBRA premium costs for employees laid off between March 2020 and January 2021, increasing funding for testing and contact tracing, eliminating cost-sharing for coronavirus treatment, and increasing funding for health agencies and centers. Employers would also need to implement infectious disease control panels. There would be about $290 billion to support small businesses and employee retention, with modifications to the Paycheck Protection Program. This would expand employee retention credit, provide credits for employer expenses, extend and expand paid leave (such as paid sick days, family and medical leave), and provide a 90% income credit for self-employed individuals. There would be about $290 billion to reduce income taxes and $191 billion for student loan relief and funding for higher education. There would be about $202 billion for housing-related costs and expenses, including the establishment of a emergency rental assistance fund and a homeowner's assistance fund. Some eviction and foreclosure moratoriums would be expanded as well, being extended for up to another year and expanding the moratorium to cover all renters and homeowners rather than specific cases as previously done in the CARES Act. There would be about $190 billion for hazard pay for essential workers. In addition, there would be $32 billion for communication systems (such as the U.S. Postal Service), $48 billion for pensions and retirement relief, $31 billion for agricultural spending, and $254 billion for a limited business loss deductions.[3][4][5]
     

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