Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

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  4. Other

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  1. rahl

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    Marriage depends on what the institution is, where you are at. In the US, it's a legal institution. If you travel to another country that does not recognize it, you are not married there.
     
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    That didn't answer the question. Does your US marriage still factually exist while you are in the other country? We already established that you do not have a legal marriage in the other country.
     
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    It directly answered your question.
     
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    Your status in the other country is not in question. Am I to understand correctly that you are saying the when traveling from the US to Hypothetica, that upon entering the country, which does not recognize US legal marriages, you suddenly are no longer married? And that upon leaving, you suddenly are married again? And if you travel alone to the country without your wife, or husband as the case may be, that somehow you are not married, but they still are, since they are still physically in the US? Given that adultry, while no longer a civil crime in the US, is still grounds for divorce, can you go to Hypothetica, have sex with a person other than the one who is your legal spouse in the US, and upon return, they would have no grounds of adultry for divorce since you were not married while in Hypothetica?
     
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    correct, you are not married in that country.
    no. you were married in the US. that never changed.
     
  6. Maquiscat

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    Given that adultry, while no longer a civil crime in the US, is still grounds for divorce, can you go to Hypothetica, have sex with a person other than the one who is your legal spouse in the US, and upon return, they would have no grounds of adultry for divorce since you were not married while in Hypothetica?

    If you travel alone to the country without your wife, or husband as the case may be, somehow you are not married, but they still are, since they are still physically in the US?

    So the US marriage still factually exists even while you are outside the US.
     
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    no idea, nor is it relevant.

    also irrelevant
     
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    Very relavant. The existence or not of the marriage with regards to legitimate grounds for divorce are relevant concerns.

    Also very relevant. The fact that you avoid answering these questions and want them considered irrelevant is that they prove your assertions wrong.

    Does the US legal marriage factually exist during the time that you are in the other country?
     
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    not relevant to anything I've said.


    entirely irrelevant to anything I've said.
     
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    And why would they not be relevant? This is just you, once again, avoiding questions that you know will ruin the assertions that you can't support.
     
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    Because it has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.
     
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    Avoidance again. Indeed it does. ATQ.

    Does the US legal marriage factually exist during the time that you are in the other country?
     
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    we've been over this. Directly addressing and refuting your claim is not avoidance. Your deflections are irrelevant to anything I've said, which means I have no obligation to address them.
     
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    How could the adultery possibly be proven?
     
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    "Here are the requirements for marriage"
    "Legal yes. How does that affect religious marriage?"
    "Because of those legal requirements"

    Circular reasoning. The law says nothing of religious marriage thus it cannot render it non existent.

    Legal marriage is defined for legal reasons. Religious marriage has no effect on that.

    Religious marriage is defined for religious marriage. Legal marriage has no effect on that

    Religious marriage is NOT defined for legal reasons, nor is such that argument. But that is the only argument for which your "these are the requirements for (legal) marriage" argument works.

    Legal marriage is NOT defined for religious purposes, and is forbidden to be such by the first amendment.

    This is the reality you fail to grasp and no amount of whining will change that. You cannot quote anything that say otherwise. At best all you have done is claim a link says something but can never quote the words that say such. Your claim, your responsibility to prove it.
     
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    I’ve refuted this repeatedly.
     
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    Given that it's a hypothetical, that's not important. Maybe the cheating spouse took pictures since he believed he wasn't married there.
     
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    Not a bit. As noted circular reasoning refutes nothing.
     
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    Every bit. And I don’t do circular reasoning. I do evidence and sourced citations.
     
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    Yet you can't quote anything to support your assertions. No evidence that says what you claim. Otherwise you could quote it. Not a single quote all thread. Give a post number that show otherwise.
     
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    You are fully aware that I can and have.
     
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    I am fully aware you have not which is why you can't even give a post number in which you have made a single quote of an external source.
     
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    We’ve been over this a hundred times. I’ve given you the law in all 50 states and the requirements of what a marriage is. Sorry.
     
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    You have only given the requirements of a legal marriage, which does nothing to show that it is the only type of marriage. That is where your circular reasoning comes in. Something external from those requirements of a legal marriage is needed to show how it makes religious marriage non existent, especially since the legal requirement make no mention of religious marriage.
     
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    Which is what marriage is in the US.
     

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