Why China's Social Credit System May be a Good Thing.

Discussion in 'Civil Liberties' started by Ming the Merciless, Nov 26, 2018.

  1. Ming the Merciless

    Ming the Merciless Newly Registered

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    First, some context for my argument: a long time ago, the concept of honor was very important in western civilization. Unless you are in the military or maybe the police, the definition of honor is probably alien to you. I believe that most western people today couldn't explain what it is if you asked them.

    Even my own definition has to be long and drawn out: before long distance communication and rapid transit, people tended to know each other quite well. Someone's "honor" described their reputation, usually in terms of their willingness to keep their word, to support the greater good of the community or the rules ahead of their personal interests. These things would be summed up in a single word, does that person have honor or not. Today, this is probably only relevant for people in the military. For everyone else, having "honor" (which we may as well put in quotes at this point) is a disadvantage, one that will get you widely mocked by many people or even treated as if you are a bad person depending on who you're dealing with. Most people are better off shuffling from group to group, taking advantage of the presumptions that come with their anonymity, being litigious and playing the victim as a strategy to express their hostility, virtue signalling instead of virtue doing. In these ways the long, slow march towards degeneracy continues and those few people who hold onto what they believe honor is get abused or even targeted for their trouble.

    Enter China's social credit system. In the US, you are already profiled by Google (who knows all sorts of strange things about you, for example, when I started dating an Indian woman all of my click bait ads changed from Asian women to Indian women), Facebook (we know they put people into categories based upon their political beliefs and switch shadow bans on and off at select times) etc. The government can, per Edward Snowden et al., hack into your devices any time they want even if we choose to believe that their huge data centers don't exist for the purpose of profiling us. The future existence of forums like The_Donald (and this forum) may be in question. So ask yourself this question: do you want your profile to be held by private companies and in secret by the government, in which case you likely have no recourse if it is used against you, or do you want it to be held by the government as an open public record, at which point you may be able to dispute it?

    In the best case scenario, open public records might return us to a state where a form of honor is relevant in society instead of the current state of affairs, in which it's a fools game and those who have it are taken advantage of or even openly targeted, generally for implicitly threatening degenerates because they dared to live up to their own standards. I believe that public profiling is inevitable, the only real question is will it be done openly by the people or only by those who would hide it.
     
  2. DarkSkies

    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

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    Few things:

    I see two different systems going on in your posting. One seems more about social media personality honor and the other about real life honor. Two very different conversations imho.

    As a society, we should be striving for as much privacy as possible. Therefore, I am against any person, place, or mechanism that exposes real life people who aren't trying to out their real live selves for whatever reasons even if it is to gauge honor/reputation.

    Open (online) profiles are vulnerable to coordinated efforts of attack, privacy invasion, etc. whether the individual deserves it or not. Groups of people can get offended about one thing and weaponize social media to gravely impact a person's livelihood. The social reputation would end up being a heavy form of social micromanagement and so I would be heavily against it.
     
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  3. Raffishragabash

    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Those who control the Internet likely never intended for public profiles or website/forum anonymity to be, infinite, and we now have to roll with whatever direction their regulations go.

    Just think if you were in China, where at any given time whatever (Internet) info you get to experience, gets sinisterly filtered and dictated to you. That will always greatly affect one's choices and decisions within a social credit system.
     
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