Why do those concerned over gun violence have no concern about the military?

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  1. Nightmare515

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    The US doesn't have more military than it needs but it does have more military money than it needs to actually sustain that force. The military DOES need a budget cut, not to reduce the size of the force but a budget cut as a result of an AUDIT. I've been saying this for years, if the military were a civilian company we'd be Enron. It's not exactly the military so much as it is the defense budget overall.

    For one the military gets absolutely raked over the coals for hardware. My job in the military has me dealing with Boeing primarily and when people break stuff or accidents happen I have to run cost analysis's on how much it'll cost to repair/replace parts and write reports and whatnot. The running gag has always been if you so much as sneeze on this machine then it's automatically a Class C accident in regards to cost because EVERY SINGLE THING on this machine comes with an absolutely asinine upcharge to get from the Boeing depot.

    We also need to stop paying civilian contractors to do basic military jobs. Yes I understand the military "giving back" to the community by allowing us to get rear ended with pricing on parts and hiring civilians, however....we don't need civilians to man the gates at the base and scan my ID. We have military people for that.

    We also need to rework the budget allocation at the unit level. This is a thing that has been happening for DECADES. Come end of the fiscal year the exact same thing happens every single September. Here comes supply guy. "Hey guys you want some random gun holsters or chairs or something? We have like $XXXXX extra money to blow before next month that we have to use or they won't give us as much next year". So we end up with storage closets full of hundreds of executive computer chairs and desks and other random stuff that never gets used all so that we didn't go "under budget" and get less money allocated to our unit next year.

    The amount of pure waste that we generate is ridiculous. Sorry but I am a taxpayer who also serves in the military. Taxpayer money should not be spent on filling my units supply closet with random useless furniture that will never get used because we were worried about not spending enough money this go around.

    We can absolutely trim the fat with the defense budget. The problem is that when folks say cut military spending they usually DO mean cut the force, and when folks say don't cut spending they usually mean DON'T cut the force. The reality is that we can absolutely cut spending and NOT cut the force if we did a very thorough internal audit and found the millions of dollars of random crap collecting dusk in EVERY unit's connex's and storage closets and if S4 supply personnel were honest enough to say that they don't actually need an extra $XXXX next fiscal year.
     
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    Except for the fact that such was not done. Such was not even attempted on the part of yourself.

    Again. Explain the precise amount of military, both personnel and equipment, that the united states has an actual need for.
     
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    Can't and you know this, and I still proved my point.
     
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    Except for the fact that such was not done. Such was not even attempted on the part of yourself.

    Again. Explain the precise amount of military, both personnel and equipment, that the united states has an actual need for.

    One does not get to make random, baseless claims, and be excused from providing answers when questioned relating to such.
     
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    Well how about you tell me where to get these " precise amount of military, both personnel and equipment, that the united states has an actual need for" information?
     
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    From whatever source allowed for such a statement to be made in the first place. What sources of information were read on the part of yourself detailing, among other things, the number of personnel the united states military currently has, and the calculations relating to how these numbers are simply too high and what number of personnel it truly needs to function best.
     
  7. CCitizen

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    1) USA spends $600 Billion to $700 Billion a year on Defense. Here.

    2) $150 Billion per year would have been more then enough. The rest of money can be used to help people in need.

    3) RIP about 3 Million civilians killed by USA in Korea 1950-53 and Southeast Asia 1963-1973 and other conflicts such as Iraq and Yugoslavia.
     
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    RIP civilians of Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Iraq, Yugoslavia killed by US Firepower.

    RIP people in USA who died as the help they needed was spent on Defense.
     
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    As opposed to the ones who were murdered by their own governments?

    Then the united states should stop paying for the defense of other foreign nations, and maintain xenophobic practices and standards to isolate itself from the rest of the world.
     
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    When Totalitarian Right was strong it acted as viciously as Totalitarian Left. In Vietnam, American Program Phoenix executed tens of thousands of civilians just for verbally supporting Communism.

    Here.

     

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