Why Trump really signed those EOs

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Balto, Aug 11, 2020.

  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    I’ll give you a clue, it doesn’t have to do with Coronavirus. On a RCP map currently, Biden holds 212 electoral votes versus Trump holding 115. Texas is in play, and nearly none of the battleground states look to be in Trump’s favor. The country is entering into a depression thanks tyrannical governors, and tens of thousands of small businesses are dying left and right. And the stock market isn’t offering Trump a saving grace.

    This move wasn’t about Coronavirus relief, it is simply about a re-election. Just like Dems decided to lock everything down for control in a election year, these executive orders were done as simply a political move as well.

    Trump didn’t sign any of this to help your neighbor down the street, to straighten out those lingering student debt payments, it was done to regain political footing with a election two months away with growing support in early voting. I’m no fan of Biden, but people aren’t angry over Biden the same way they were with Clinton.

    And that will play to his advantage. We are worse off than we were in 2016. What did we have to lose by electing Trump? Look around you, that’s what we lost. As a libertarian, I wished someone with more name ID would have gone down this route, if even with the help of Bernie. That said, Jo Jorgensen is real obscure and most people have never heard of her.

    If 2020 has taught us that governors should never have EO powers for the abuse that has been displayed, it also has taught us that Trump isn’t for Coronavirus relief.

    But for re-election relief.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    And at that, it was an idiotic move. Even if he managed to convince some of his lapdog governors to kick in with a quarter of the bill, people would be receiving less than with the Democratic bill.
     
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    So let's get this straight here:

    The people will vote for Trump if he does something they want and they want virus relief.

    So you are saying that Trump doing what the people want is somehow a bad thing?

    Isn't that what presidents are supposed to be doing?
     
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    I've been pondering this since I read about the most recent EOs. I had a nagging feeling that he would push a bit on the 2nd stimulus closer to election time. I know a few people ticked off that it's not coming, but they aren't really financially responsible people so it wouldn't matter how much the government threw at them.

    With that said, I don't believe that he is acting any differently than any other politician during an election year. It's just a little harder for him because of the pandemic and everyone's lives being stuck in limbo while we watch the economy fall apart. I'm sure he would love a do-over if he could get one. I know I would in his position.
     
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    Well hind sight is 20/20 is it not? And every armchair hero can solve every problem on the planet with a really GOOD imagination and a lack of realistic thought!!
     
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    He's not doing what the people want. People don't want their unemployment benefits cut in the middle of a pandemic while there is double-digit unemployment
     
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    I don't understand the logical flow of your argument. You insinuate that Trump is the reason for the economic state that we're in, but then actually blame it on the Democrat governors, who decided to shut our economy down, which Trump has no control over. Before the ballyhoo of the Chinese Virus, which so happened to occur in an election year, the unemployment rate was at 3.5% in February 2020 (1). Shutting down the economy caused the high unemployment numbers, which Democrats, even on this forum, love to tout, because they feel that when Americans and America suffers during Trump's tenure, then it's good for them electorally. When Rush Limbaugh said that he hoped Obama failed, what he meant was that he hoped Obama's socialist policies failed. Democrats twisted his words to mean that he hoped America fails. I guess they were simply projecting.

    1: https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2020/1...ess-for-27-weeks-or-more-in-february-2020.htm
     
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    Anyone that thinks todays stock market is priced rationally needs their head examined. It is about 66% overvalued right now.
     
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    Trump is a genius! His EO's might be unconstitutional but he said so what? He is doing what he can for the people since the left wouldn't do anything except pork out a bill. Now the left is FORCED to do what they can to make themselves look good. Prove me wrong.
     
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    Not just a genius, but a very stable genius.
     
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    YEA a real horses ass!!
     
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    Meanwhile Mitch the Rich Bitch has the stimulus package WHICH PASSED OUT OF CONGRESS sitting languishing at his desk, never aired in the Senate?????
     
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    You make no sense! Congress is the house AND the Senate!
     
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    Thats about the long and short of it!
     
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    Didn’t people have problems with Obama’s “unconstitutional” EOs? While I didn’t agree with all of them, you weren’t saying “So what?” at the time.

    Works both ways.
     
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    Well if you look to the left of this post a little, I wasn't on this forum back when Obama was president. If you can quote me from any post back then I would be amazed!
     
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    They’re both to blame, really. Trump does have control, he could tell any one of these states to reopen.

    As with any other disaster that hits a country, presidents ultimately hold the blame as governors are below them, certainly not equal. I like to point to Bush and Katrina. The storm wrecked his presidency as much as it did New Orleans. Covid could be considered the Katrina to Trump’s presidency, due to the amount of devastation it brought ashore.
     
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    He can "tell any one of these states to reopen"? Yeah, he has. And he can tell all he wants. But he cannot compel them to reopen. That's the point. It is not within the Constitutional framework for the president to do so. Ultimately, therefore, the blame for the bad economy goes to the people who have the constitutional power to open up businesses and close them--namely, the governors.
     
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    Time to plant more money trees.
     
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    It's like these people don't understand the economic impact of printing money that we don't have can have on the economy.
     
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    In their defense, math and reality are difficult concepts for them.
     
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    We plant money trees so we can harvest them in bad times. In case you haven't noticed, this is a bad time.
     
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    I hear they planted a bunch of those in CHAZ.

    How'd the harvest go this year, by the way?
     
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    I guess all that Liberal pork in the bill had nothing to do with it? Trump doesn't need Pelosi and Pelosi can't write an EO. Had she and Schumer provided a bill for helping the people in crisis instead of their Democrat friends, there wouldn't be a need for an EO.
     

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