Will you take the Trump vaccine for covid 19?

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Will you take the Trump vaccination for covid 19?

  1. Yes

    26.1%
  2. Only if required to

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    0.0%
  3. Not sure, need more info

    26.1%
  4. Unlikely

    8.7%
  5. No

    39.1%
  1. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    I wear a mask so that doesn't happen. But, sure I'll take it, but I take the position of you first.
     
  2. Mr.Incognito

    Mr.Incognito Well-Known Member

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    Lol, talk about revisionist history. Smdh.... Please tell us again where all that trickle down Reaganomics money trickled down to.
    Oh yeah, try staying on topic.
     
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    Not only would I take it, I'd be willing to participate in a study. I'm not actively looking, but if they do a large scale run (and they should) I'd ask my Doc if I would be eligible.

    Not only do I remember Polio, I had it. I can also remember my grandparents talking with their friends about those who had died from diseases you guys have never even heard of.

    I would have died many times, were it not for medical science. Actually, most of you would be dead, were it not for medical science..
     
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    Of course I will take the Trump vaccine and when it is effective and the name is changed to the Biden vaccine so will the Trump haters.
     
  5. Pollycy

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    Hey, look, Incognutso, I had responded to YOUR Post #18, so if anybody diverted off-topic, it was the guy you see in the mirror.

    As far as prosperity during the Reagan years goes, hey -- a fair amount of that money went into MY pocket, and the pockets of a lot of other Americans, precisely because the American economy then was GREAT! We had good jobs, good careers, and good lives! How many people feel that way today...?

    Now, if the vaccine these medical experts throw together at "warp speed" is effective, and it doesn't kill, cripple, or paralyze people like the Swine Flu vaccine did in 1976, I may get immunized with it -- AFTER it's been out there a few months. THERE! Is that on-topic enough for you? So, are you gonna get the shot...? You could be "the first kid on your block"... go for it!
     
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    I will give the vaccine a couple of months to see if any issues, as not sure I would trust the Trump admin to care about our safety

    will trump get the vaccine in front of the whole country live on tv? lead by example?

    will Trump send his children to school, lead by example?
     
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  7. Mr.Incognito

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    Incognutso, lol I like that. I have never taken a flu shot yet, so I doubt I'll be taking this one. But I'll never say never.
    Oh yeah calm down a little, you'll live longer.
     
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    Ah, I shouldn't be so excitable. Nobody is worse about lurching off-topic than me, and that's the truth.

    One thing's for sure... if you didn't experience the big 'fun' of the Swine Flu shot in 1976 (you'd have to be an old guy like me), then you'd know why I'm, uh, REAL reticent to just hop on board and get 'shot-up' with anything that a bunch of lab rats throw together at "warp speed".

    So far I'm doing just fine on a daily regimen that is heavy on vitamins and supplements, including Vitamin D3, and herbals that are lethal to all viruses -- Echinacea, Goldenseal, Sambucus (Elderberry extract), and a really dreadful one whose extract tastes like a combination of celery and battery acid -- Osha! All the best to you!
     
  9. CenterField

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    I wouldn't call it "The Trump Vaccine" but rather the Pfizer vaccine, the one you're talking about, given that this contract is a future one without giving them any money for R&D; it's more like a restaurant reservation: you reserve your spot but you only pay if you actually go and eat there.

    This is ONE initiative. There are others. We reserved 300 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine too, and the Moderna/NIH one is 100% American and will tend to our market first, if successful, before exports.

    The Warp Speed initiative has given grants to six vaccine makers already. The Pfizer one is not a grant, it is different. This payment will be disbursed only if the vaccine is effective and safe, gets approved by the FDA, and is delivered. No advance money is being given to Pfizer, unlike the case of Moderna, Oxford/AstraZeneca, and others, which are cost-sharing grants for the costs of R&D, in exchange for a market reserve of X number of million doses.

    What Fauci has said about 1 to 1 and a 1/2 years to get this done, was in a time when development hadn't progressed as fast. The companies aren't cutting corners. What they are doing, in the case of all three front runners, Moderna, Oxford/AstraZeneca, and Pfizer, is that they are already producing the vaccine ahead of results, so that IN CASE the results are good, they are ready to distribute. This is in great part how they cut down on the number of months needed to get it all done. And you have to also understand that Moderna started researching theirs in January 2020 and finished the first batch 42 days later, so that if they distribute by January 2012, it will have been in 12 months, within what Fauci said.

    Anyway, the most important point is that neither of these companies has abbreviated the size of the phase 3 trial. All three are enrolling at least 30,000 volunteers for phase 3, which is standard. So, this is less "rushed" than people think. Ironically, what may also cut down on the number of months needed, is that the virus kept spreading strongly in places like the United States, Brazil, and South Africa, thus allowing these large phase 3 trials to be put in place due to people being scared, wanting the vaccine ASAP, and enrolling for the trials in large numbers. Also, phase 3 trials for vaccines usually take long because a sufficient rate of exposure to the virus in the tested population needs to occur for the trial to be significant and accurately differentiate between vaccinated and non-vaccinated cohorts, in order to gauge the efficacy of the protection. Again, ironically, it is the out-of-control contagion that will expedite phase 3 results, as they will become clearer in these hot spot areas of outbreaks. So, the 1 1/2 time can and will be shortened.

    Yes, absolutely, if one of these vaccine candidates passes phase 3 with flying colors, certainly I'll want it. I'd even volunteer for one of the trials if they get close to my area.
     
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    This wouldn't be the same thing of the 1976 fiasco, because this time, Phase 3 trials with 30,000 subjects each ARE happening for all of these front running vaccine candidates. It's just that they are being very fast in development, production, and setting up of these trials. It's not like they are cutting the essential corners and NOT doing enough trials. Phase 3 trials with 30,000 subjects are completely adequate and standard.

    Vitamin D, good for you. I have no knowledge of herbals, and have no opinion on them. But I'll add this: on top of Vitamin D, there's been some evidence that some other vitamins and supplements might be helpful (I started a thread about them): quercetin, vitamin C, zinc, and melatonin.

    Cheers to you, too.
     
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    I get discouraged when I see a poll like this one with 55% of Unlikely/No and only 22% of firm Yes.

    If we want to stop this contagion via herd immunity acquired with a vaccine (if it is possible in terms of lasting and neutralizing antibodies), we'll need a high percentage of people accepting the vaccine.

    These vaccines may not be 100% effective. Actually the threshold for approval is that the maker needs to show that 50% of subjects got protected by the vaccine (and no serious side effects were generated).

    The thing is, the least effective a vaccine, the more people need to take it for any hope of herd immunity.

    You need to understand the concept of herd immunity threshold. It is a number that varies according to how infectious an agent is, to establish the percentage of immune population that would be needed for the virus to run out of people to infect, and die out. The infectiousness is measured as the R naught number (R0), or reproduction factor, that is, how many people typically get infected by one carrier. The R0 number varies with epidemiological conditions and percentage of susceptible population. But to make it simpler, let's suppose everybody is susceptible to getting the virus if sufficiently exposed (I know that there are hints that type 0 blooded individuals are less susceptible; that some people have a natural immunity against all coronaviruses, etc., but let's keep it simple for the sake of the argument). The R0 number for the SARS-CoV-2 has been demonstrated to vary between 2.0 and 5.7 according to spread conditions (low densely populated areas versus high density, etc.). The Herd Immunity Threshold is calculated using this formula: 1 minus 1/R0.

    So for a R0 of 2.0 (the most optimistic estimate) the Herd Immunity Threshold is 50%.

    Say that a vaccine is effective at a 70% rate. 70% of 71 = 50 so we need 71% of the population being vaccinated, to achieve a 50% Herd immunity Threshold that would cause the contagion to extinguish.

    For R0's higher than that, we'd need even more people to accept it. A R0 of 5.7 results in a Herd Immunity Threshold of 82.5%.

    Sure, if we are extremely lucky to get a safe vaccine that is effective at 100%, we might need only 50% of people to accept it given a R0 of 2.0. But this is a bit unlikely due to mutations.

    So, let's hope for 70% efficacy: like I said we'd need 71% of the people being vaccinated.

    Currently I'd say that this percentage is unrealistic. Even the flu shot, so routine, so safe now, and so non-politicized, is only taken by 50% of Americans. Here we have an issue that unfortunately is EXTREMELY politicized now.

    So we may see left wing folks saying "I don't want no stinking vaccine that Trump is putting together in a rushed manner to use as an electoral tool!"

    And we may see right wing folks saying "I don't need no stinking vaccine because the over-reaction to this little flu is a Democratic plot to bring Trump down!"

    And we'll have from both sides the conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers who will be suspicious of a vaccine anyway.

    Plus, we'll have some people legitimately concerned with the inevitable lack of data on long-term side effects of these novel vaccines.

    All things considered there is no way we'll get to 71% of the people getting vaccinated... Therefore it is likely that the contagion will continue to go on, delaying the full return of a strong economy. So, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot.

    I'm prepared to bet that other countries will accept these vaccines much better. This will lead them to full economic recovery, while we'll be lagging behind.

    So, I beg you, if we get favorable safety and efficacy results from the phase 3 trials of these candidate vaccines, take one of them. It would be patriotic to do so, and would expedite our country's recovery (and would allow people to resume normal life with social activities, sports, tourism, concerts, restaurants, etc.). Please try to put the politics aside for a moment, and do what is right for Public Health. We are in this together. The virus doesn't discriminate between Left and Right. We need to beat this virus for several reasons, not just for partisan politics.
     
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    I'll visit the thread you created, and thanks for letting me know over here.

    I'm a big believer in zinc, Vitamin D3, and Vitamin C. For years, every day of my life, I always take 2 grams of Vitamin C (one in the morning, and one in the afternoon), even if I don't have any symptoms of a cold or anything. But if I think I'm coming down with something, I will double that -- and when cold or sickness symptoms really increase, I triple it to 6 grams per day, or on rare occasions even more.

    Sinus infections? Lying down, I put slightly pure water-diluted drops of Kyolic Garlic concentrate right into my nostrils. It knocks the worst sinus infections out in 48 hours if you dose your nose with the drops three times a day. It kills the sinus infections on contact! But, be careful -- the garlic drops burn like hell if you put in more than about three or four drops. Go easy, and do not try to put drops in both nostrils at the same time! Kyolic makes lots of garlic pills, too, but nothing is more powerful than the liquid concentrate (kinda stinky, too, but if you're getting sick, you won't care).

    So all in all, thank God, I haven't even had a bad cold in almost six years... and Dr. Linus Pauling was sure right about Vitamin C!
     
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    Haha, your garlic drops sound nasty! I'm not sure if I'm very motivated to try them! Thanks, anyway.
     
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    The poll is damaged by the very title. Calling it a "Trump Vaccine" is offensive. It would no more be a Trump creation than the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was "Obamacare". There is no Presidential hand in this thing, quite the opposite.

    Drop the "Trump" label and my answer is an absolute "YES". I believe in science, vaccines have been of immense help to humanity and given the opportunity I will take it yearly if that is what the science reveals to be most helpful to me.

    Drop the stupid politics and it all becomes so much easier.
     
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    We have to be inured to the mud-slinging politics of this whole thing if we are to be able to have a coherent discussion (if not a particularly civil one).

    Hyperliberal Democrats have been screeching and bitching that everything about this COVID-19 virus is Trump's fault -- even though he announced a cut off of travel from China on THE day that the Senate threw the whole impeachment/removal farce in the trash back in January.

    Trump will never (NEVER) be able to do anything (ANYTHING) in a correct manner as far as radical Leftists are concerned. The topic in discussion could be Tiddlywinks, or a hundred other things -- but, now matter what's wrong, it would always (ALWAYS) be Trump's fault!

    [​IMG]. "Trump callously holds the squidger with forefinger on top -- an obviously RACIST move!" :cynic:
     
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    Makes perfect sense to select the lesser of two bad options. Americans have been doing this in elections since the country began.

    Trump announced a ban that is true. A fake one, or an incompetent one is more accurate. Tens of thousands of travelers from China continued to arrive in the USA, all exempt from the ban, for many weeks.

    And yes, Trump had the data on the pandemic in front of him in December and he ignored it. He played it down for many weeks through all the months of it spreading and he continues to do that to this very day.

    It is hyperpartisan to claim that Trump is anything but incompetent and an abject failure in the job. I rank it with the hyperpartisanship of Shrillery supporters who raved about her lifetime of great accomplishments, when a factual examination of her record reveals only a book chapter titles, otherwise filled by blank pages.

    The stupidity of True Believers in our two big political parties is the mental derangement that is harming our country. It worries me more than a little, to say the least.
     
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    No, and it's not Trump's vaccine btw...
     
  18. Pollycy

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    Enjoy your preening, self-congratulatory bilge, and then tell us what a DEMOCRAT would have done that would have been any better and any faster to counter COVID-19! WHY NOT, if they were so damned OMNISCIENT...?

    Trump issued his travel ban on January 31st. But were the Democrats already warning America to beware the dreadful 'China' virus back then...? No...? :cynic:

    Ha! Democrats were still bitching and butt-hurt over the fact that the Senate had just thrown their half-assed, totally defective attempt to remove Trump into the dumpster! They didn't know any more about the 'virus' than the backside of the moon.... But just try to get any of these deceptive, self-glorifying frauds to admit it NOW....
     
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    agreed, the democrats are siding with the china communists and the virus.

    according to the President's twitter feed he has labeled them anarchists, but the virus, 'protesters', and chinese communists all appear more like terror.

    no on big pharma's vaccine
     

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