Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?

I think that those who do not contribute will be in favor while those who put in a hard days work will strongly oppose being forced to reward laziness.

 

Good point... .but what I am advocating is an unconditional income supplement that goes to all citizens and legal residents but.... .it is taxable..... so the poor will benefit most from it. The idea is based on some of the work of Economist Milton Friedman who felt that the Welfare State methods..... rewarded lethargy........ and punished hard work..... but an unconditional income supplement to all citizens and legal residents...... is decidedly different and is a step toward defeating the growth of the Welfare State Bureaucracy and mentality.

 

I am not sure how we could do this in the US TBH. It will either debase the dollar or fuel inflation so your purchasing power is going to wash in the end.

 

Or..... over a number of months and years it becomes a way to restore the value of the USA dollar in the event that the economic aspect of this COVID 19 crisis leads to temporary hyper inflation.

I happen to know a number of Christians who also happen to be amazingly gifted when it comes to being given glimpses of possible futures, (perhaps of futures that have already taken place in another time line if Multiverse Theory turns out to be true)?!

After the sixteen minute mark in this video a vision of a Hurricane of USA dollars is seen by the gifted Shane Warren........ and the two pronged attack on the USA dollar is obviously in progress. In order to produce the environment for hyper-inflation China and her allies in all nations had to do TWO THINGS! 1. Increase the supply of money rapidly 2. DRAMATICALLY REDUCE PRODUCTIVITY!!!!!!

China and her allies in all nations....... have accomplished BOTH of these things through this COVID 19 and a less than honest and less than brilliant response by the majority of nations. Sweden seems to have had the most intelligent approach to this from what I have read?!

The relevant part of this video is after the sixteen minute mark:



Here is the best explanation that I ever saw in writing for the difference between what happened in the time of the Weimar Republic of Germany........ and a situation where Canada.... for an example..... would create an extra nineteen billion per month through the Bank of Canada to finance an unconditional income supplement of five hundred dollars per Canadian to all Canadians.... every month........ permanently............. An unconditional income supplement would not need to fuel inflation...... as long as productivity remained high or perhaps even increased because a well planned BMI could encourage some people who are now on welfare to join the work force......?!


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...is-a-good-thing.499686/page-9#post-1067298520

 

Where would you get this money?

 

A dramatic REEVALUATION of the true value of human life..... and all animals life..... based on the possible implications of a more Theistic Version of Evolutionary Theory!

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/


I am thinking that Latter day Saints may be the major denomination of Christianity that due to their being so well read would significantly tend to automatically and at least somewhat enthusiastically take to my ideas regarding GOD EVOLVING AND LEARNING OVER INFINITE TIME IN THE PAST..... and Adam and Eve being created..... and before them a myriad of life forms including a Covering Cherub named Halel who in a sense fell.......... and led a third of the angels of heaven in what I suspect may be eventually found out to be a psychological experiment in the flavour of the Stanley Milgram research on obedience.


One of the best ways that I can think of to set this in motion in a practical sense is through art.... specifically films..... but it will soon affect many types of art.

"The White Horse President prophecy and saving the USA constitution and dollar."


On a more practical level....... this reevaluation of the value of human life will affect real estate prices in rural USA and rural Canada.

The Worgl Austria Great Depression Experiment and a real estate boom in rural America?

 

Interesting, but doesn't answer the question. Those that value human life need only look at the results of putting money through our government. Wearing silly underwear in no way qualifies them to lead the way on valuing human life.

 

Good questions Doofenshmirtz!

I actually am hoping to inspire some churches to use alternative currencies to assist their church members and family and friends of church members to cooperate and pool their resources and talents in order to produce films and other types of art as well as build houses in rural America and Canada and also improve their properties.

I am hoping to encourage Latter day Saints to cooperate more and more and more with certain members of the Evangelical Christian community such as near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai or Pastor Dean Braxton who flatlined for an hour and forty five minutes because Latter day Saints have a high degree of respect for near death experience accounts.

I have some of the best discussions with Latter day Saints that I have ever had online and I participate on a large LDS forum that you can take a look at here:



Christian Beliefs Board



This discussion explains how I believe that alternative currencies can play a much more important role in local economies than they have in the past five decades.


Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.


Alternative currencies are TAXABLE at the same rate as the USA or Canadian dollar so if nothing else alternative currencies could become a significant way to boost taxation revenue for all levels of government.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/local_currency/index.htm?iid=F_Jump

Local currencies: 'In the U.S. we don't trust'
By Blake Ellis @CNNMoney January 27, 2012: 11:13 AM ET

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Two percent of the population of the Canadian province of Alberta are Latter day Saints...... and if I could come up with a concept that Latter day Saints really, really, really, really liked.......... then I believe that a brilliant economic principle written by MOSES can be tapped into that could lead to the paying off of the national debts of Canada, the USA, Israel and Australia..... (and that is just for the opening gambit)?!

"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)


In theory.... it is possible to pay off the national debts of both Canada and the USA with Calgary Dollars....
www.CalgaryDollars.ca/
but.... it will not be a simple and easy thing to do because each step toward that occurring would tend to inspire some fear and / or envy in the minds of the type of people who are capable of influencing the central banking policies of the USA and Canada?!

Local currencies: 'In the U.S. we don't trust'
By Blake Ellis @CNNMoney January 27, 2012: 11:13 AM ET

I would like to have an opportunity one of these days to elaborate on this option to The Kevin O'Leary who just happens to have been my number one choice for national leader of Canada's Conservative Party back in 2017. Mr. Andrew Scheer was my number two choice..... .he does deserve credit for being a good writer.


Proposed Republic of Western Canada and Unified Field Theory of M.W.P.

 

How about a woman isn't allowed to collect that special "basic minimum income" unless she agrees not to abort? (unless basic exception preconditions are met, of course)

There's no reason to throw out inducements without getting any guarantees.

 

Or just let her keep her money without filtering it through our inefficient, irresponsible, greedy government.

 

That is a good point..... I basically like that idea ..... but immediately that woman knows that she will lose five hundred dollars BMI if she is pregnant with one child..... .or a thousand dollars per month if she happens to be pregnant with twins...... if she chooses to have an abortion and kill either one or two children......... so......... the type of BMI that I am promoting has an automatic tendency to reward a woman for giving birth and seriously considering also raising her child that she has taken to full term.

 

Good point.... but what I have in mind in theory could be done outside of government.......
the Worgl, Austria Local Money Experiment is one example of how communities can unite
and accomplish for themselves what many of us tend to think that only the government has the power
and the authority to do for us.


The Ithaca HOUR: A Community Currency Based on Barter
Started in 1991, the Ithaca HOUR is the largest and oldest local currency system still operating in the United States. MOTHER talks with Paul Glover, the system's founder.

 

Good point. There is nothing stopping like-minded people from pulling resources for the greater good. We should never wait for the government!

 

I don't think money would matter all that much, if after all these millennia the simple fact of putting unprotected A into unprotected B results in unwanted C has yet to register, what's money gonna do?

 

A minimum of twenty percent of women choosing to have an abortion site money as a primary reason for their choice. A Basic Minimum Income would surely decrease the incidence of women feeling economically pressured into choosing to have an abortion by at least twentyy percent... but I feel it is much higher than that...... because when a woman says she chose to have an abortion in order to complete her education... she is obviously indirectly again saying that money is a primary issue in her choice to have an abortion.

 

The short answer is no. Aborting for financial reasons is the equivalent of paying a hit man to off a child who you consider a financial burden!

 

What would seriously improve the rate of child killing is a significant governmental effort including substantial funding to support adoption!!!!

 

HEY! I really like that way of thinking about this problem!

There cerainly are studies of what reasons are behind the decision to abort.

Surely it would help to work toward addressing those reasons.

A good number of them may seem to translate to money. But, I think it's not as easy as supplying more money. Assuring food and housing are requirements, of course.

One that is not quite so well solved by increasing availale dollars is that women in the US point out that healthcare during pregnancy and pedeiatric care after birth are not assurred. So, an immediate question is whether a pregnant woman can take care of her own health and that of her fetus through birth and beyond. Whiile more money might solve that, I think it would be far better to solve that problem by assuring that everyone gets healthcare rather than simply adding more focus on assuring pregnant women have enough money to buy insurance - which is only one important use for that additional money.

Canada sets a strong example. With zero laws against women and with the healthcare system covering abortion, the Canadian abortion rate is clearly better than ours.

And, that's true even with all the work in the US to make it illegal, to make it impossible to find, and otherwise use law to force a decision that government seems to think is appropriate.

 

Cite please.

 

In a way.... my idea of five hundred dollars per month to all Canadians would tend to increase the rate at which potential adoptive parents would choose to adopt over not adopting..... because if they were to adopt two children...... the household income would be increased by a thousand dollars per month!

Increasing the supply of potential adoptive parents should translate into children being adopted into even more caring and even safer households than is the case at this time.

I'm taking the logic of all this step by step by step......
but a rather simple plan to pay off the national debt of Canada could also be applied in the USA which would make it possible for Americans to soon have universal free health care. ..... but... as I saw in Quito, Ecuador..... a level of health care being free... should not stop the wealthy from being free to pursue other types of more expensive treatments..... so a two tiered system is logical..... I saw that in operation while I was in Quito, Ecuador for a year and a half and it was amazing to me how good health care was in Ecuador.

That is one of the goals that I do have in mind although I haven't written much on this just yet. Thank you for the encouragement on this topic. I truly do appreciate it.



http://www.politicalforum.com/index...off-in-one-year.580877/page-4#post-1072262514


Can the national debt of the USA be paid off in one year?

 

Well they'll cite something, naturally.

But clearly, if they couldn't afford to risk a pregnancy/child, they wouldn't have chosen to engage in the one thing which makes pregnancy/children. IOW whatever they might cite after the fact is just blather. It's not the truth, and therefore has no relevance.

 

It would only deter ONE ROUND of women avoiding abortion. Thereafter women might be far more careful about their choices. Pregnancy is the easiest thing on earth to avoid, after all.

 

One part of the problem is that the father may feel that he cannot afford to properly care for the child........ so...... it isn't simply the earning potential of the mother at question here. If thirty or forty percent of fathers were more likely to attempt to try their best to assist in raising children fewer women would feel compelled to have an abortion.

Good point....... once a woman sees how the father of her first child behaves then she will have a better idea on whether or not she wants to risk getting pregnant for a second or third time. I suspect that many, many, many women in the heat of the moment have higher expectations of the father of her first child than would be the case if fathers to be never ever exaggerated how intense their feelings were for a woman?


Quite frankly..... at the time of a woman getting pregnant for the first time.... perhaps the father has unrealistically high expectations for himself...... that within several months he questions as the financial aspects of the reality of their full situation sinks in.

 

1) Nothing to do with the father. It's the woman who must agree to the coitus, after all. She has full decision making powers over the conception. He has none (unless he's a rapist). So again, if she can't afford to risk a pregnancy, she would choose NOT to engage in coitus. Whatever 'reason' she gives for abortion later, is just nonsense .. blather.

2) If she isn't married to a solid, decent man who wants children and is in a position to care for them properly for the next 25 years, why is she even thinking about risking a pregnancy? This stuff isn't rocket science. A child can understand it.

3) See above.