What Can Be Done To Stop Destructive Tornados ?

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Your idea mate - how about you research it yourself instead of getting on the internet and demanding everyone do your homework for you?

    Work out the power inherent in a tornado (hint I have linked to some info above)

    Work out the required power

    Then work out a delivery system that is going to actually target what you want it to at wind speeds of over 200 k/hr

    Then get back to me

    Oh! And there is an old old saying which goes - Do not use an Elephant gun to swot a mosquito
     
  2. protectionist

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    You miss one thing. I haven't advanced a definitive conclusion. But you have. With your Wizard of OZ picture, you've made a value judgement that it won't work. That requires mathematical evidence. The only thing I've done is to suggest a scenario to try, and if it works great. Then we'll do it again and again. If it doesn't work, it wouldn't be the first time we tried something technological and it didn't work. And the failures of the past (ex. rockets blowing up) were a lot more costly than this would be (just the expenditure of a a few rocket bombs).
    But let's think positively. That's what got computers, TV, space technology, etc going.

    Ready to think positively ? Welcome aboard. :smile:
     
  3. Bowerbird

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    What do you mean "With your Wizard of OZ picture, you've made a value judgement that it won't work."

    Unless you have a direct line to Oz from Kansas I really doubt you would get the Wicked Witch of the North to help out
     
  4. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    West...the wicked witch was from the west ;)
     
  5. Bowerbird

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    Ooops! Perhaps Glinda COULD stop Tornados!!
     
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    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    Well she did have that soap bubbly thing going on lol
     
  7. Bowerbird

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    Oh! BTW there WAS a "Wicked Witch of the North!!"

    MOMBI!!
    http://oz.wikia.com/wiki/Mombi

    Mine tink it 'mazing wot u ken find on GOOGLE:grin:
     
  8. CRUE CAB

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    I was making fun of the guy that offered that as a viable deterent to tornados.
    Read our earlier posts.
    He is sure you can just fire missiles into the tornado and disrupt them.
     
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    yeah let's bomb em. screw the families on the ground. their dead anyway right??? :roll:
     
  10. protectionist

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    YOU KNOW what I mean. I mean that you were making a value judgement that the rocket bombs suggestion was stupid, except you cowardly smothered it in cartoon format, to try to avoid being accountable for it. We await your quantitative analysis. :giggle:
     
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    FALSE! I advanced a scenario as a possiblity, not anything "sure". I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work, but seeing that it hasn't been done, it really would have to be classified as just in the experimentation stage. :mrgreen: As for making fun, you can do that when you've got some basis for judgement. Up to now, you haven't shown any. :giggle:
     
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  13. Bowerbird

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    Nope it is a stupid and idiotic idea. Everyone on this thread has told you that. What you have to do is prove that it would work - this you have failed to do
     
  14. CRUE CAB

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    Tell those people of Moore that after the rebuild, you suggest missle batteries at the edge of town for future tornado defence.
    You'd get run out on a rail.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Caaaarrraaaaazyyyyy at it sounds, I agree with you.
     
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    Sorry but the G is not going to be allowed to install missle batteries on a guess over US soil.
    So forget it.
     
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    No evidence that hurricanes could be stopped by explosives either. Do you realize how huge a hurricane is? Hurricane Ivan (the eye of which passed within 5 miles of my house) took up most of the Gulf of Mexico. Yes, we can build hurricane proof houses but the idea of stopping them is silly.

    Also, the OK tornado spun up from no tornado to EF-5 in 10 minutes. It did this over populated areas. Do you think bombing it would have worked without causing just as much collateral damage? I don't like it when people have this idea that we can best nature. We can protect ourselves under some conditions, but we cannot stop it. It's just hubris to think so.
     
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    None of us (including you) have any idea what the govt is going to do, and the rockets can be fired from planes, not necessarily whatever you're talking about. I really don't see what you find so objectionable. Seems like a harmless idea with potential. As they used to say in college >> form follows function. Function ? Bust up a tornado into pieces and kill it. Form ? Take away its consistent air circulation, which makes it what is is. Nothing complex about this.
     
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    If you like the idea so much why not write it up and submit it to Hollywood - would go perfectly with scripts like 2012, Day after Tomorrow......

    Better yet - lets report the idea to Mythbusters - they like blowing things up!
     
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    Nobody said there WAS evidence. Not did they say there has to be any evidence. Lots of things don't have "evidence" before they are experimented with. The many great technologies we have today, didn't have any evidence when they started out. Did the Wright brothers have evidence that their airplanes would fly ? No. So what ? You think something might work. You try it it out and see. That's all.

    As for Hurricane Ivan, it was huge when it was in the Gulf of Mexico, but days earlier, it was small when starting out in the Atlantic. As for "collateral damage", bombing a tornado over open, uninhabited, undeveloped land, how do you come up with he notion that there could be collateral damage ? To whom ? To what ? Trees ? Bushes ?

    And what's wrong with the idea of besting nature ? We best nature every day in dozens of different things >> housing, heating, air conditioning, resevoirs, dams, automobiles, airplanes, space technology, water purification, etc. What else is new ?
     
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    No harm with either one of those. :thumbsup:
     
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    Uncle Ferd says ya have to find out...

    ... what frequency the tornado is vibratin' at...

    ... den ya blast it with a phase inverter...

    ... to invert the phase it's vibratin' at...

    ... an' den dat cancels it out.
     
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    or.... put all homes on wheels... yeah.. and make them mobile so that you could move them out of areas where tornado's occur .. I'm gonna be rich!!!
     
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    Okay, the Tornado FAQ says:

    This is not a Jules Verne novel. (Verne's accuracy ranged from ridiculous to dead on, shows what happens when your scientific knowledge is self-taught rather than trained.)
     
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    Proof that this can be done, say in a simulator. Why don't you sponsor research into this.

    Here's what NOAA says about the whole idea:

    http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svrwx101/tornadoes/faq/

     

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