Is Rudd the Mayor West of the World?

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Let me put to you, some simple questions regarding the failed home insulation scheme. Beginning with:

1. Do you believe Kevin Rudd, and, or Peter Garrett had any responsibility to manage this scheme?

 

How true, I am really wondering how the ALP members want to complain about media bias, blame game and policy reform. But ask them to explain the policy and they are like a fish in a hot buttered pan. They cannot flip about so much trying to dazzle all about with BS.

Gonski reforms, great policy but what is it? Ask an ALP supporter and it is a policy to fund schools that is fairer. Well what does the policy say they should spend the money on? No, No if they get more money education standards will rise, is the ALP stance. I think those about know that this is simply not a true representation.

In fact ask many ALP supporters about their policy, they have nothing. They know little about it but are quick to blame everybody else for the failures of information and management. Is it any wonder they are shallow, small minded, ignorant and hypocritical?

 

Aussie, anyone with an ounce of decency would instantly recognise that Rudd and Garrett are equally responsible for the deaths of those four young Australians, through that bungled home insulation scheme they initiated and controlled.

Being business people, we also understand that if this situation was in the private sector, Rudd and Garrett would now be facing serious criminal charges relating to those deaths.

We also comprehend, that these pair of cretins will never face justice, or be held account of their parts in these tragic deaths, because they are protected under parliamentary privilege.

In my personal opinion, anyone to advocate that Rudd & Garrett are not equally responsible for these four totally avoidable deaths, are complete low-lives. The same low-lives that secretly put on the do-gooders hat, and call everyone else bigots and racists; when boat asylum seekers are attacked as being financial opportunists for coming into Australia through the backdoor through criminal activity.

As I suggested in a previous post. We desperately need a CIR. When we start taking away politicians GOD powers, and make them live under the same laws and conditions as everyone else; we will start getting the right people, and not these current dirty grubs who are only there for themselves.

 

When they come from a world of 100% dependance, and zero responsibility, it`s inevitable that they have no idea how to manage or build anything. Australia`s employee of today has no responsibility for their own actions. Do something stupid, it`s the boss`s fault. He should have idiot proofed their world for them. Unless one happens to be working of a Government managed project, such as the insulation program. In that case it was OK to go back to work safety practices not seen since the 1800`s. It is a reasonable expectation that a worker shouldn`t be required to do anything anywhere near as dangerous, as laying conductive foil over electrical services. As you say, if anyone was to commit such criminal negligence out in the real world, the unions would be howling for their blood, they would be facing gaol sentences.

 

I agree. With some of the idiots, you have to wrap them up in cotton wool and 100% idiot proof them, before you let them work for you. There is no such thing as any personal accountability or responsibility in the workplace these days thanks to unions who want to blame employers for employees stubbing a toe.

Remarkable how the “unions” have never pursued Rudd & skinhead for these deaths, but no surprise when you consider the unions control the ALP.

 

No employer worth the name in this country, would lower their safety standards to the level acceptable to Garrett and Rudd. As you said, WPH&S has to a large degree, become the domain of parasitic bureaucracy, and gestapo type stand over merchants. That aside, if Australia tried to work to the standards of Garrett and Rudd, the place would become a third world hell hole of shoddy built death traps.

 

The real issue is, Rudd was obviously and clearly the main driver of this policy. Garrett should have been held accountable to his ability to act against the government wishes, but that only can be made in hindsight and is it reasonable for him to do so. If he had personally acted and these deaths where avoided, we would now debating the act of how an ALP politician could block supply to their government without cause.

However, he did act in an attempt to warn the driver of the undertaking which was ignored. This is the reason I suggest Garrett's responsibility is mitigated by his actions unfortunately his actions produced no action. Rudd, under the OH&S act of 2002 and 2009 as well as the retrospective aspect of the WH&S act of 2011 make the individual personally responsible for the actions and refusal to act on warnings. I am not really sure that there is any privilege here, as some suggest, because the program was managed outside parliament. Howard produced laws that absolved the government should any liability be sort from incidents as long as the government is not made aware of the danger, which clearly RUDD was repeated warned about. This (without the complete evidence portfolio) lays squarely the blame and liability at RUDD's feet and he is running as far as he can from his own responsibility. THUS nothing but a scumbag.

 

Garry, any building project, requires a "building solution", which comprises of architecture, drainage plans, specifications, etc. The Principal, (entity in charge, or Garrett, in this case) is required to have these documents submitted to, and approved by, all relevant authorities before work can commence. It is also the principal`s responsibility to ensure safe work practice. Rudd and Garrett, are avoiding the issue by use of the weight of Federal Governmental, unlimited legal power, to run the OH&S, and WH&S, scams as you rightly mentioned. These acts do NOT absolve the Principal of it`s obligations of Safe Work Practice, OR, Duty of care. As you correctly pointed out, Rudd and Garrett were repeatedly warned of the incredible stupidity of their work practice.

To put this issue into context, any Principal in the private sector, ranging from the smallest Registered Builder, to the largest Construction Company, who failed to specifically exclude such a stupidly dangerous Work Practice, would be facing manslaughter charges in this situation. For the rest of their lives, those involved would be regarded by their peers, as dangerously incompetent imbeciles.

 

54% of Australians want this incompetent imbecile to be their PM again - what does that say about Australian intellect? They also must like working in 3rd world working conditions again, under these scum-bags who couldn't care less whether the general public gets killed implimenting their half-arsed schemes, or not. It really comes back to the age old saying: fool me once same on you. Fool me twice same on me.

Vote in incompetent clowns, and incomptent clowns is what you will get.

 

No, 54% of the respondents to a poll would prefer Rudd to Abbott as PM.

 

I am extremely worried about anybody who would knowingly support this scumbag. Not only that, they made him the PM on the Basis of polling of small minority (as ZIG points out). But in their defence, I really only saw the real scumbag after the supposed apology. Which was not of a person with real remorse but of somebody who only consider these deaths as an obstacle on the way to what they want.

The government made the WH&S laws to hold anybody involved from the bottom of the chain to the very top personally responsible, As Aussie points out. This means not only companies but individuals should be held accountable for unsafe actions and methods. BUT when it comes to the government, they get a free pass. All the laws clearly state that NOBODY is exempt but Emperor scumbag seems too.

 

Rudd, and his kind have no qualifications for anything constructive. Union people are highly skilled in STOPPING production, and taking advantage of the related extortion and corruption opportunities, then lying their way out of any trouble.

They are completely unqualified to perform any constructive function.

 

Yep, we should all put our trust in Rhinehart, Bond, Murdoch, Palmer and Twiggy, they wouldn't do dodgy deals, bully and manipulate people and systems. You bless us with pure enlightenment Aussie. Keep up the good work!!

 

Another little gem from the "department of Silly Talks".

 

Yes, that's what I thought too, but thought it couldn't be any different to the previous comment!

 

How slow do you want to look TV. When you reply to the topic of Rudd & Garrett`s fatal incompetence with, "Yep, we should all put our trust in Rhinehart, Bond, Murdoch, Palmer and Twiggy, they wouldn't do dodgy deals, bully and manipulate people and systems. You bless us with pure enlightenment Aussie. Keep up the good work!!", you make yourself look about as sharp as an elephant`s arse.

 

Dig deeper aussie! You can do it! It is a classical example of how blatantly narrow minded you are! Thinking about an elephants arssses isn't going to help now is it! It's a sick fetish anyway!

 

Labor gave the ammo, and said obey the rules of engagement that have been in place for [x]. The businesses fired the shots that killed the poor chaps.

 

And this is the point! The businesses were responsible in ensuring the safety of these young guys based on their regulations and experience in the industry!

 

Labor was running the show, Labor was the boss, the administrator, and principal. It was Labor`s responsibility to ENSURE that only safe methods were employed, by the common practice of LISTING safe procedure. This is the way it works in the real world. There is no getting around the simple fact, that it was LABOR`S responsibility to follow this standard procedure. You can`t blame the businesses for getting caught in what amounts to a slimy legal loophole, while trying operate under conditions that where practically impossible.

Another obvious fact. Considering the methods that Labor allowed to be included in the work method statement. In the cases of the workers being able to get through the job alive, the house would STILL be a death trap! Simply because having conductive foil over services is such a stupidly amateurish practice, creating a death trap for the life of the building.

 

It`s exactly this type of narrow minded blindness, that gets people killed. All participants have designated responsibility for safety. To try to exonerate the bosses of their responsibilities, is to try to take us back to the 1700`s. No one can be assured of safe working unless all parties take responsibility!

PROGRESSIVE, MY ARSE!!!!!!!!

 

The thing I find funny is that the ALP hardened the Rules to insure that Bosses are held accountable for safety so safe practices are enacted and adhered too. Unfortunately People would rather excuse some people’s actions and condemn others at their discretion. When people complain of such things how can they be disgusted with?

http://www.politicalforum.com/australia-nz-pacific/309948-teenage-killers.html#post1062823468 and
http://www.politicalforum.com/australia-nz-pacific/310376-what-disgrace-part-iii.html#post1062837453

Simply shows the hypocrisy of the Australian people to expect anybody involved in an undertaking to be excused when it is obvious that warnings of unsafe practices and dangerous activity were given and ignored. Accordingly due to ALP's own policy (in a government this sleazy, psychotic, megalomaniac scumbag was a part of) the people ignoring the warnings are the most culpable, but ALP supporters want to give them a free pass...

 

As you previously mentioned, Garrett and Rudd were warned of the dangers of their program on numerous occasions. The obvious fact that they should have been able to see the danger themselves aside, they ignored all of the warnings, made a conscious decision to not act in the interest of workers` safety. Now four young blokes are dead, and numerous houses have been damaged, made unsafe, and destroyed.

Makes you wonder how low some people are prepared to go, for the sake of power.

 

All I know, If I was the administrator and the boss of these projects that oversaw four people being killed through OH&S and WPS neglect; I would be charged and facing criminal manslaughter charges RIGHT NOW.

So my question is. Why is Rudd and his ministers who were the administrators and Boss of these failed projects NOT facing criminal charges, or accepting any responsibility for these tradgic avoidable deaths?