Jordan is Palestine

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    According to the UNRWA, there are only around 2 million Palestinians in Jordan.

    this is about 30% of the population.
     
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    You're kidding?! I have no idea what to say about that. I really don't:eyepopping:
     
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    yes.

    first they say 50%.

    then 70%.

    then 88%.

    next they will say Jordan is 99% Palestinians.

    :)
     
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    UNRWA says around 30% of Jordan is Palestinian.
     
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    Relax. I know. I'm only trying to reason with this seemingly absurd claim without further claiming that MGB Roadster is a "Tommy Tanker" so they they used to say in old London town :wink:
     
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    It's filled with Palestinians because of nakba and the extermination of the Palestinian men women and children in Palestine.
    It's only a problem if you make any attempt to explain the apartheid policies of the Talmud degenerates or highlight the hypocrisy of the Zionist reprobates.
    Regards
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    Talmud degenerates?

    Is that like the Nazi museum of degenerate art?
     
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    Ok. But I was not referring to that. I said only that 30% of Jordan's population are Palestinians and that 70% of the total population of Jordan reside in urban areas.

    And I don't know how to respond to your statement.
     
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    It's just that I feel for those who make an attempt to be honest and logical, and only knock their heads against the Talmud wall.
    You are goy, you have no right according to there religious teachings to be treated honestly. You are goy, an animal, an animal has no rights in law, you are a beast of burden only.

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    please stop derailing the thread with your anti-Semitic rants.
     
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    Well thanks for that. I appreciate your concern.
    However I would suggest that ones feeling should be put aside in politics. I myself bore the brunt of quite a few insults on this forum and not a single one got the better of me.
    I'm sure that those who genuinely believe that are few in number. In fact there are quite a few Zionist's on this forum with whom you can actually have a discussion with. Sometimes a bit difficult but not impossible.
     
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    Certainly not anti Semitic, but then I don't have your axe to grind, I speak of only the actions of the zionists, AIPAC and their degenerate behaviour.
    I'm very sorry if the truth hurts you, but then, like in the nazi era, people hid there heads for fear.
    They hold no fear for me, only that of my maker.
    What were those commandment again? Tho shall not bear false witness!
    Aye.... Right enough, but I'll leave the hypocrisy to your good self.

    Highlander
     
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    Jordan is only 30% Palestinian.
     
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    Hoooray. Were back on topic.

    Right. I think that creating a Palestinian state out of Jordan would not be a benefit to the stability of either the Palestinian people themselves or regional stability.
    And of course this would still require the consent of King Abdullah and the possibility of the dissolution of the monarchy.

    My reasons are.
    .Jordan is a sovereign state and that they have no interest in forming a Palestinian state.
    .Palestinian are already under represented in Jordan and there would be a guarantee of new people being represented
    .Jordan may not have the economic capacity to provide places within society for new arrivals.
    .Many Palestinians don't seem interested in this idea.
     
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    the whole diabolical agenda of the "Jordan is Palestine" theology, is to force or pay Palestinians to leave the West Bank and move to Jordan....or for Israel to annex the West Bank and transfer Palestinian political rights to Jordan.

    either way, its Apartheid.
     
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    Well it does seem like an attempt at expulsion. hmm this reminds me of a story, you know one of those old biblical stories about some guys who built giant pointy things :wink:

    But in all seriousness. The situation in the West Bank would have to be rendered stable before any territorial or even national adjustments are made.
     
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    You might have an idea... but this idea of yours is not based on realities.
    BTW the fact that many Palestinian are not interested or pretend not to be is very simple they join the Multitude in <Hate the Jews> or <itbah al yahud> = <Slaughter the Jews>.

    What is Jordan in relation to Israel?
    ~by HBendor

    Jordan is what the relevant FILE/FOLDER of the League of Nations titled/called *Trans-Jordan Province of Palestine*!
    But Palestine in history is the geopolitical entity to which the Roman occupier of "Judea and Israel" two Jewish Kingdoms in the second century CE gave the name "Palestina" in a futile attempt to eradicate the Jews' link to their Land, which entered history as the Sovereign Homeland of the "Jewish nation" more than 3000 years ago.

    Since that time, Jews have continuously lived there, though often under foreign conquerors. In fact for over 3000 years ago&#8230; the one common demographic denominator in "Palestina" has been the Jews. Concurrently, no ethnic or national community except the Jews has claimed Palestine/Israel as its distinctive home. Even Sherif Hussein of Mecca called this Land *Ard Ibna'a Ihal aslyin* = *The land of the original owners.* Ref. to Jews.

    Until the early twentieth century, Palestine was considered a geographic concept, covering the area both West and East of the Jordan River; the term "Palestinian" must therefore refer to all the inhabitants of this area. And the "Right of Self Determination for the Palestinian Arabs" is a right to which Palestinian JEWS as well as Palestinian ARABS are entitled-and which both, in fact, have attained.

    In 1922, recognizing THE HISTORICAL CONNECTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH PALESTINE and the grounds for RECONSTITUTING their National Home in that SAME country. The League of Nations granted Britain a Mandate over Palestine, pending the reconstitution in Palestine of the JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.

    One of Britain's first act as a Mandatory Power was to divide Palestine along the river Jordan, giving over 77% of it, to an upstart from ARABIA, by the name of Emir Abdullah who, 1946, established Trans-Jordan-later renamed Transjordan and even later Jordan. (King Abdullah originally had wanted to call his country "Palestine" but was persuaded by the British that the name "Jordan" would emphasize the King's rule over both banks of that river (Jordan). Thus in the greater part of Palestine-the area East of the River Jordan-the right of Palestinian Arabs to self-determination was realized (and this was considered the FIRST PARTITION OF PALESTINE).

    Yet the Jews' concomitant right to self-determination in the remaining 23 % of Palestine was not to be granted so readily. Arab militants, through terror and intimidation, opposed the fulfillment of Jewish national aspirations in any parts of Palestine whatsoever.

    In 1947 the United Nations sought to settle the conflict by a SECOND DIVISION (this time of Western Palestine) into Jewish and Arab States. In May 1948 Jewish Palestine (Israel) proclaimed its independence. The neighboring Arab States, however, joined in a massive assault on Israel. Though Israel succeeded in repulsing the invasion, Judea and Samaria were captured, and later annexed, by Jordan; (only Britain and Pakistan recognized this illegal annexation) (yet, NO Arab Country extended their recognition). Egypt also conquered the Gaza district (though not annexed it).

    Since mid-1948, then, two independent sovereign states have existed in the AREA once known as "Palestine": the Arab-Palestinian State of Jordan (77% of the Mandate) in Eastern Palestine, and the Jewish-Palestinian State of Israel (23% of the Mandate), in Western Palestine. For this very reason another Arab Palestinian State was not established in Western Palestine (the so-called "West Bank", i.e., Judea and Samaria) during the 19 years it was controlled by Jordan. It made no sense then; it makes no sense now...!

    All non-Jewish inhabitants in the area conquered by the British led army of King Abdullah were granted JORDANIAN CITIZENSHIP. Over 400,000 Palestinian Arabs from Western Palestine moved East of the Jordan River Eastern Palestine-mainly to be closer to Amman, the new Jordan capital, and the improved social and economic opportunities offered there. Ethnic, social, religious and identical language made these migrations merely a "change of address." As one writer put it.

    Today, Jordan's population-even without the western area it had conquered in its abortive attack on Israel in 1967-is still composed in its majority [73%] of Arabs of Palestinian origin. As Jordan's late King Hussein said in an interview for the Paris-based An-Nahar al-Arabi w'al-Daouli, on 26 December 1981, "Truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan."
    A change of scenery in Jordan [this artificial state] would automatically bring the largest Palestinian (Fundamentalist Party, the only party that represents 73% of Jordan's population) in the picture. A Palestinian Arab leader replacing the present King Abdullah son of the late king Hussein might revert to "Palestine" instead of Jordan.

    I have in my possession two Jordanian State Stamps one from 1964, bearing the likeness of the late King Hussein and pictures Mandated Palestine as an undivided territory [All of Israel of today plus Jordan of today]..., the other a 1949 stamp pictures King Abdullah (the grand father of late king Hussein) of the kingdom of Jordan and bears the label of Palestine in English and Arabic.

    If Jordan (ex Trans-Jordan) IS NOT Palestine, what then, was its previous name? One of the answers is in the "Palestinian National Covenant"

    ART 2 : Palestine with its boundaries that existed at the time of the British Mandate is an integral regional unit.

    ART 25 ; In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provision of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

    After Jordan Independence May 25, 1946, the word PALESTINE was used on all official documents i.e. (I mentioned the stamp bearing Abdullah's picture and the label Palestine). King Abdullah wanted to call his newly acquired country the kingdom of Palestine, but the British persuaded him to drop the idea. He had also mentioned in the past : "He (God) granted me success in creating the Government of Transjordan by having it separated from the Balfour Declaration."

    The Raison d'ĂȘtre of Jordan has been clarified as the creation of a Palestinian order on the East Bank of the river Jordan. Initially an artificial country, established by British Imperial Decree, with unclear boundaries and no national identity, Jordan has taken major strides in trying to build a new collective that might be termed "Jordanian-Palestinian". It is a state in search of a nation to fill it with content and purpose; nation building is proving, however, to be more arduous task now that the national Palestinian identity, authentic as it might be, has been kindled.

    The Palestinian entity of Jordan has not eliminated its ambitions to contest Hashemite control over this sizable part of Mandated Palestine. In essence, the real Palestinian Arab-Jordanian contest is over the East-Bank and not the West Bank of the Jordan River. The eastern portion of Palestine (Jordan), for objective reasons, is the big prize to be attained.

    Living in their own social and cultural milieu in the Eastern part of Mandated Palestine, and enjoying full political, economic and social rights, the Palestinian Arabs have already achieved all the elements of national self- determination and fulfillment. They constitute a majority within an established political entity, which happens to be situated on over 77% of the original territory of Historic Palestine.

    Israel controls today only 23% of that territory. Jordan is, therefore, the answer to the "Palestinian problem" since its population is nearly 73% of Palestinian stock. I then conclude that Jordan can be designated as either the "Palestine-Jordan Hashemite Kingdom," or the "Republic of Palestine."

    Historic Palestine has been already unevenly partitioned, and Jordan has come out with the Lion share!

    The non-Israeli Arabs of Palestine should be REPATRIATED to their country (since they are ALL holders of Jordanian Ids and passports from the time Jordan ruled the West Bank for 19 years).

    Jordan and Israel are now considered (after their Peace agreement) the two SUCCESSORS of the Palestine Mandate!
     
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    83% of the West Bank is Palestinians.

    The West Bank is Palestine.
     

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