Is that pork? Alcohol? Sorry, sir, you have to see another cashier.

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  1. carloslebaron

    carloslebaron New Member

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    Number here other religious groups doing the same. As far as I know, I know a Jewish member of a synagogue who is in charge of donations who won't mean to touch pork packages.

    It happened one day that a truck driver was so negligent when he used his truck to carry food from a market and put the food in the back of the truck. Now well, the truck (new vehicle by the way) didn't have the back gate installed (I don't know the reason why) and the food he bought started to fall in the street every time he stop and accelerated back again. I felt the food falling on the floor, and as the truck disappeared between the streets, I did pick up huge bags of sugar, lots of meat packages, bread bags like crazy... wow!.

    It was too much food even for being "free". So I decided to donate most of it, because was a lot to fit in my refrigerator and kitchen cabinets. Right there in the street, a dude saw me picking up the food and he approached me, and because he told me that he helps others, I gave him some packages of meat. So, after that I went to the synagogue to find the one in charge of donations. On my way, I picked up another bag of sugar (25lbs bag) that everybody avoided to pass over in the middle of the street 15 blocks away from the store.

    The one in charge of donations was happy with the bread, sugar, meat, until I found out that there was pork packages as well. I told him that I better give that pork meat to my dogs because such is not for human consumption. He told me that poor people who is not Jewish will receive the pork meat anyway, even when he will encourage them not to do so. But, as they will eat this kind of meat anyway, he doesn't have any problem to deliver it to the food center for being pick up by the needy.

    I don't see why a Muslim cashier will stop giving you service because your diet preferences. I myself keep kosher diet, but this won't mean that because you eat crab or pork and I work as a waiter, that I won't serve you the food in a restaurant.

    If eating the food is the prohibition, then Muslims can avoid eating the prohibited food. If touching the food is the prohibition, then Muslim cashiers can use latex gloves and keep attending all the customers.

    But, polite or not polite, a cashier refuses to attend you because your diet preferences, and the manager agrees because "his" interpretation of the discrimination law, lol... such is the most stupid interpretation of a law, and on the contrary, it is discrimination against customers.
     
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    I'm an athiest and I don't pretend to understand what underlies the motivations of those who are religious. That's not the issue though. This is really easy to grasp and I'm amazed some people ain't getting it. First off, it's not a law but a policy that the management of M&S have decided to introduce into their stores. This policy wouldn't be suitable for all retail outlets and in all situations and only a small minority of retail chains have decided on a similar policy. It's impacts are therefore minimal. The policy works for them and their customers don't appear to be bothered by the ten seconds of time it takes for a non-Muslim member of staff to deal with their transaction. This issue has been blown out of all proportion.
     
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    If it takes only ten seconds for another cashier to catch up with the customer buying pork, then this store is lacking of customers... perhaps customers are going now to another store... lol
     
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    Wow....I had no idea I was so powerful.......cool.
     
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    I'll tell you what, write to the CEO of M&S with your concerns and maybe they'll reverse their policy.
     
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    So bacon vodka is a no go?
     
  7. Mayor Snorkum

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    You seem to believe a "strawman argument" is a tool you can use to cover the fact that you can't respond.

    You should learn what it means. Here you go, again, misusing the term after someone presents you with a perfect valid example of why it's totally stupid for employers to cater to the foolish whims of employees who make up excuses why they won't do the job their hired to do. You can't respond, so you deflect.

    Teamwork doesn't work when some team members are shirkers.
     
  8. Mayor Snorkum

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    He's not.

    If the Mayor stood in line for any significant time and then was told by the cashier that he has stupid religious convictions that prevent him from doing his job as a cashier, the Mayor would walk out, letting the cashier to call the manager to take the bacon off the counter before the guy with the religious delusions could check out his next victim.

    Or perhaps the Mayor would abandon those purchases, and go back to get some more bacon just to keep the manager busy....Maybe stop by and get some Manischewitz wine, and then claim the clerk isn't objecting to the alcohol, he's being anti-semitic....pick the counter with the ridiculous religious fetish and his manager busy all day, if enough people play the game right.
     
  9. Mayor Snorkum

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    There's other pharmacies, and besides, sex is a choice, not an obligation.
     
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    No deflection. The issue is a simple one. M&S have the freedom to enact the policy. They have done so and it has had no adverse on their business. End of.

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    WTF are you babbling on about now? If you don't like M&S policy I suggest you take the matter up with the CEO of the company.
     
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    I just try to imagine such sort of selection in my local supermarket, where both jewish and muslim arab women work. Shortly speaking, my congratulations to british.
     
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    I cannot fathom for the life of me why this non-issue is creating so much hyperbole.
     
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    It only seems that way to people who are too lazy to read the entire book with the intent to learn something.

    The Qur'an even refers to Lot as a "Muslim" in relating the story of the destruction of Sodom.

    The Kufir would have been the pagan Arabs and Africans.
     
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    Not always, and, with the growth of chain stores, the nearest that sells Plan B may be in the next state over, more than a day away. It has been documented to be a problem in the red neck states.

    Only if you are male, normally.
     
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    Buying pork and other haram foods is a choice.
     
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    Why is it silly? You want to allow cashiers to be able to refuse serving people buying pork and alcohol, so why can't they refuse customers because they are old? Where is the moral and ethical difference, TMR?
     
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    I'm sure the same ones condoning this are the ones that throw a tantrum when Christian pharmacists refuse to sell contraception. Hypocrisy, thy name is political bias.
     
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    You're forgetting about the other members of society who think like you.
     
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    Ah yes - this new right to NOT be offended. Greaaaaaaaaaaat. <stupid>
     
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    On the one hand, the cashiers are refusing to touch immaterial objects due to their religious convictions; on the other hand, the hypothetical cashiers do not want to serve those fellow humans who are of a particular age level. The latter is a position based on arbitrary discrimination while the former on the necessity to live an ethical life.
     
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    They can't refuse people on the basis they are old because it's not M&S policy.
     
  22. Mayor Snorkum

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    Nothing wrong with buying food to bring into a harem.

    Standing at a cash register serving customers is a choice, too. If someone chooses to insult the customer by refusing to handle their food, the employer should always choose to fire that cashier, since he's in business to please the customer, not the racist cashier.
     
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    The Mayor didn't say how far the 'ho would have to go to buy her goods....and no store is under any obligation to carry any item in stock or to order it. The store owner has a body, and it's his body, his choice, isn't it?

    Can you explain why people who are ignorant of human sexuality, of morality, and common sense post the things you do? You're now introducing the topic of rape into what was a discussion of consensual sex. Your goal posts relocation efforts do not diminish the strength of the arugment you're fleeing.
     
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    .....and there it is. If I am not pleased, I go elsewhere.
     
  25. Riot

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    If a catholic nun has to pay for and hand out condoms.
    If a catholic has to make a cake for a gay wedding.
    If a catholic has to pay for abortions of others.
    Then the left which is a religion should have to pay for female circumcisions of Muslim women.
    The Muslim should have to check out pork in a store.
    Muslims should have to pay for Jews to have their procedures also.
     

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