Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

Iran kicked out all UN Inspectors.

The deal is to allow them back in and Iran does have the right under the NPT to enrich Uranium....BUT ONLY TO REACTOR GRADE LEVELS!!!


Weapons Grade Uranium is something the UN Inspectors can check on.

AboveAlpha

 

AlfieAlpha U r so So bloated Up with your Yankee Xseptichewlism
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How Long Would US Navy Survive In A Shooting War ?
Admiral Rickover, the “father of nuclear navy,” had to answer the question
before the U.S. Senate: “How long would our aircraft carriers survive in
a battle against the Russian Navy?” His response caused disillusionment:
“Two or three days before they sink, maybe a week if they stay in the harbor.”

http://defence.pk/threads/how-long-would-the-us-navy-survive-in-a-shooting-war.368329/

I gotta go for a bit but here's back at Chaa ASAP buddy


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That's if your taking about a Nuclear War.

U.S. Navy Carriers were designed to fight Conventional Wars or be platforms to launch Aircraft with Nuclear Bombs attached to those aircraft.

A single U.S. Nuclear Carrier Battle Group holds more Nuclear Weapons than the entire Nation of China....and we have 10 Nuclear Carrier Battle Groups soon to become 12 as Nimitz which was to be decommisioned will undergo a refit for Northern Arctic Sea Polar Duty and the first of the Ford Class CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford Stealth Carriers will be heading to sea trials....soon to be followed by CVN-79 J.F.K. and CVN-80 Enterprise.

Russia has a TINY NAVY....TINY.

AboveAlpha

 

Just to add.....if your thinking Russian Subscould take out the U.S. Carriers.....FORGETABLOUTIT!!!

The U.S. Navy Submarine Force which we do not talk about in detail.....is UNPARALLELLED.

The USN's Los Angeles Attack Subs which are the oldest U.S. Sub's in operation are still many times quieter and lethal than any Russian Alpha or other Attack Sub.

Add to this the USN's VIRGINIA CLASS and a few SEAWOLFS.....as we only built 3 instead of the slated 23 when the Soviet Union collapsed......U.S. Carrier Battle Groups are not only well protected but our Anti-Submarine Capabilities and Technology are at a factor of 4 to 6 compared with Russian Capabilities.

Here details out a SEAWOLF.

Seawolf submarines are larger, faster, and significantly quieter than any existing attack sub or any on the Russian drawing board; they also carry more weapons and have twice as many torpedo tubes, for a total of 8. The boats are able to carry up to 50 UGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles for attacking land and sea surface targets. As in all nuclear submarines, the load out of equipment, weapons and crew affects available excess buoyancy and thus operational parameters. The boats also have extensive equipment to allow for littoral, or shallow water, operations. The class uses the more advanced ARCI Modified AN/BSY-2 combat system, which includes a new, larger spherical sonar array, a wide aperture array (WAA), and a new towed-array sonar.[5] Each boat is powered by a single S6W nuclear reactor, delivering 45,000 hp (34,000 kW) to a low-noise pump-jet.

A SINGLE SEAWOLF COULD EASILY DESTROY 8 RUSSIAN ATTACK SUBS BEFORE THEY EVEN KNEW THEY WERE BEING TRACKED!!

The Virginia Class is a cheaper version of the Seawolf with many of the same capabilities.

AboveAlpha

 

This is certainly somewhat encouraging information!

Thank you AboveAlpha!

Oh……… do you think that I am probably naive to so strongly suspect that the twenty or thirty percent of the economy of Canada and the USA that never appears on a balance sheet anywhere because it is volunteerism in some form…… could perhaps be coaxed out of hiding by a modern application of the Worgl, Austria local currency experiment?

My point is that it is theoretically possible for Canada to assist the USA in her military budget by renting and leasing American equipment as props in documentary, reality and semi-reality science fiction films.

This could I suppose also be done through the private sector or through a micro-nation currency unit.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=394887&page=2&p=1064936882#post1064936882
Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!

 

I think you have got that around backwards Alpha, the US has a HUGE NAVY HUGE & Russia's navy is more in the normal range for a peacetime power.

Freddy.

 

There is also the different attitude toward engineering.
Like the diff between American and French engineers and the Panama Canal.
Practicality vs Theory.

I remember the story of the Sovietsky Jet fighter that did a belly landing, hoisted up,
wheels system fixed and ready to fly again.

American systems seem too fine tuned.
Dust free environments and such.
Hardly the stuff of "take a hit" and keep on fighting.

Imagine the American military's communications, etc. jammed by the enemy.
No "BOOM". All electronic. The dependence of satellite communications is a vulnerability.
A back up could be hard wire or possible "line of sight" microwave broadcast and rebroadcast systems.
Harder to jam.

I fear the American Brass for their "Battleship Mentality". Prepared for the previous war.


Moi

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I wouldn't worry to much about that.....most if not all are liquid up on cheap Russian Vodka and nothing more then drunken blowhards.

 

The new Russian fifth generation fighter (Pak Fa) has large main landing wheels so it can take off & land from rough improvised airfields if need be. The F-22 & F-35 have smaller main landing gear which is reasonable if you have no real anticipation for the use of the aircraft in a defensive manner as it saves space & weight. Both nations design systems that best suite their relative situations but I suspect the Russians are a lot more practical.

Freddy.

 

There was no indication in the article that posted by Eadora that Admiral Rickover was talking about a nuclear war. The article simply mentioned that he was the "father of the nuclear navy"?

 

This is an exceptionally good point!

Yes!!!!!!!!!!

The North American defense system does indeed appear to be vulnerable to an attack that might well render the internet and much satellite communication nearly useless.

 

"Russian Agents"
Any idea why we allow pro-Israelis on here so they can drone on about destroying Iran? What about all your fine, upstanding patriots who post with evident relish about nuking the Middle East into a 'glass parking lot'...?

 

What Russia does have for capable naval ships cannot be considered a NAVY.

More like a small coastal protective Naval Force.

AboveAlpha

 

That's because they're designed by Generals who know what the needs are.

 

Yeah....because that's what a Pilot want's....a Fighter/Attack Aircraft designed by a General who has not FLOWN AN AIRCRAFT IN 30 YEARS!! LOL!!

Russia does not posses a single Aircraft capable of surviving an engagment with a U.S. Military Aircraft.

AboveAlpha

 

Most so called Americans believe that a pack of anti-Christ Ashkenazi self professed Jews are Biblical Israel, therefore, they are willing to sacrifice anyone and anything for their idol - the Israelis..... who are not Israel.
On top of that we give billions to the Israelis that they use to bribe and blackmail US congressmen etc. into doing the "right thing".

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Maybe that's all they need to rescue American sailors?

 

The British complained about Russian ships and planes in the English Channel... yet it is international waters. There have also been complaints about Russian ships and planes in the North Sea, even though again it is international waters. The Black Sea is a different story though, it is not international waters. It is an enclosed sea, and there are treaties concerning the ships that can enter and exit it. This is not only a deliberate provocation by Washington, but the American ships are also using the Black Sea area to monitor the headquarters of the Russian Fleet.

There have been American ships in and out of the Black Sea since the Olympic Games. The Montreaux Agreement specifies the length of time a foreign ship is allowed to be in the Black Sea, so in order to circumvent it, Washington has a new ship enter every time one of the ships leaves. This would be as provocative as having Russian ships roaming around Alaska and the Aleutians, or around Florida and the Caribbean non stop.

 

Alpha what do they need the ships for, to control the world? Besides, Russia is large enough to have air bases covering half the northern hemisphere, so why would they need aircraft carriers? Anyway they have a nuclear sub now that can shoot missiles through ice...so go ahead, beat that one.

 

I agree with you here.

 

You could tarnish just about any peace time navy in the world with that same brush of comparing them to the huge wartime like navy of the US. Russia has three main fleets & the Northern Fleet has to be a blue water navy just to handle that long coast line & the huge area associated with it. You could probably fudge your way around putting down the other fleets but even the Brits complain about them sailing through the English Channel.

Freddy.

 

AboveAlpha

Russia does not posses a single Aircraft capable of surviving an engagment with a U.S. Military Aircraft.

AboveAlpha

U.S. does not posses a single Aircraft capable of surviving an engagment with a Russian Military Aircraft.

There, see how easy that is Alpha. Both statements have the exact same level of truth to them which is nothing at all. Man you really need to get your head around the fact that this is Russia 2015 we are talking about & not the 1990's Boris Yeltsin years & I'm not saying the Russian air force is better only that you have gone way over the top.

Freddy.

 

Russia needs a blue water navy for all sorts of reasons. For example keeping open shipping lanes, tracking down hostile submarines, protection of off shore oil rigs, natural disaster relief, etc.

As for the subs the US has a grid network of sensors on the ocean floor that in theory can track the Russian or any other sub & if it can be tracked it can be killed, you still need that navy.

Freddy.

 

My statement is specific to matching up U.S. Fighter Attack Aircraft vs. Russian Fighter Attack Aircraft.

Now....OBVIOUSLY.....there is no Fighter/Attack Aircraft that could survive an engagement with a USAF F-22 or F-35....as these 2 U.S. Military Fighter/Attack Aircraft when operating in Stealth Mode would destroy not just one or two but many Russian top of the line Fighter/Attack Aircraft before they ever knew what hit them.

F-15C's and F-16's and F-18 Superhornets have much more advanced avionics, fire control systems and the ability to work with AWACS and E-3 Sentries and Satellites which along with their superior Air to Air Missiles would allow them to win a one on one fight with an Su-30 or other Russian Advanced Fighters.

As example....the German's flying the Typhoon Eurofighter which is a much better fighter than what the Russian currently have.....were losing 12 against 2 F-22's at Alaska's Red Flag.

AboveAlpha

 

We have taken this into account.

Vandenburg is where most American Secret Military Satellite Lanches occur.

There are multitudes of Satellite Replacements ready for launch plus we are capable of destroying any Enemy ASAT well before it takes out our Satellites.

The U.S. Navy's Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers all carry SM-3 ABM/ASAT's

They have already demonstrated their ability to destroy a tiny target traveling at velocities much higher than any enemy ASAT.

Each U.S. Navy Nuclear Carrier Battle Group has with it 2 Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers in the Carrier Battle Group and such Carriers are covering most of the planet.

The U.S. has a multitude of other such systems including the FEL and Particle Beam Systems.

AboveAlpha

 

The F-35 is available in STVOL.....and VTOL.....VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LANDING.

A Brace...ie...two....a Brace of F-35B VTOL's equipped with two 1000 lbs JDAM'S and a Classified Number of the Small HYPERSONIC CUDA AIR TO AIR MISSILE.....are able to take off and land in as small an area that a Apache Long Bow Chopper needs......using it's increbible Stealth Tech....penetrate deep into enemy territory.....drop two 1000 lbs JDAM's.....which can destroy entire buildings or Bunkers....then on their way back...just 2 F-35B VTOL's can destroy AT LEAST 10 to 24 ENEMY FIGHTER AIRCRAFT!!!

The thing is the Enemy Fighters would scramble AFTER THE FACT.....that being the enemy fighters would not even be in the air until after the Brace of F-35's dropped their total of 4 1000 lbs JDAM's......and as no current Nation except the United States Military has the ability to track or EVEN LOCATE these 2 F-35B VTOL's.....the F-35B's.....could land in a small clearing in the forest in a FORWARD ENEMY TERRITORY POSITION.....be RELOADED with JDAM's and CUDA's......refueled...and take off again within less than 30 minutes and repeat what they just did destroying other targets as F-35B VTOL will most likely be used as MARINE AIRCRAFT!!

AboveAlpha