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Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by TOG 6, Apr 26, 2017.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Russia is NOT a civilized western nation.

    Australia has actually seen a drop in gun homicides.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds

    http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

    The UK has seen a reduction in both homicides and crime rates.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18900384

    So the facts demonstrate that gun control actually does work in civilized western nations.

    The purpose of gun control is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally disturbed so as to eliminate mass shootings.
     
    Derideo_Te, May 2, 2017
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  2. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your source has no credibility!

    http://www.ccrkba.org/?p=1680

    Here are the actual FACTS without the disinformation.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/timeline-the-gun-registry-debate-1.786548

     
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  3. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Ironic!
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    That isn't the purpose of gun control, but the swill passed off to the public in a form that will convince people that arms control is in their interest while being the precipitate to the erosion of civil liberties as has been attempted by the dishonest power seekers of history. The formula for doing this can be illicited from the history of weapons control in the U.K.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=149029

    It is always a trade of liberty for supposed safety.
     
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  5. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Only the gullible swallow the NRA canard that "guns make you safe".

    The undeniable FACTS are that owning a gun makes you way more likely to be shot!

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24054955

     
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  6. Rucker61

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    By the logic in this study, owning a rope or bedsheets makes it way more likely that you'll be hanged.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    No, it doesn't do anything of the sort!

    300+ million people lie between bedsheets every single day and yet there are not 30,000 deaths per year by "bedsheet hangings".
     
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  8. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    There are 12,000 deaths every year by hanging/suffocation suicides, though, using rope, bedsheets, etc. If only those weren't so prevalent.
     
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  9. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Onus is on you to PROVE that bedsheets are responsible for those deaths.
     
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    Oh no, we need stronger regulations for bedsheets, bedsheet free zones, we might have to get insurance for bedsheets now. I'm really worried about this one, I've been sleeping with them all around me since a child.
     
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    Bedsheets are no more responsible for hanging suicides than guns are responsible for gun suicides. That's the point. Mental illness is the primary cause of suicide.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So you prefer that the mentally unstable have full access to guns so that they can kill other people before they commit suicide?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that's a throwaway line which avoids having to answer the obvious question.

    try again
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    like most outcome based studies created by the BM, this one confuses guns legally owned by people who generally don't cause crimes with ones that are illegally owned by those who disobey laws
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BZZZT Wrong!

    It is an acute observation that you fallaciously accuse others of your own shortcomings.
     
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    straw man alert. what is "mentally unstable"

    the 68 GCA prohibits those adjudicated mentally incompetent from owning guns. in this country, one has due process safeguards as to their constitutional rights. Given your post, it suggests you want people banned from owning guns who also have "been suspected of criminal activities" too
     
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    Typical kneejerk denial by those who worship the Almighty Firearm that can do no wrong!
     
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    I have no shortcomings on gun issues rather than perhaps too much patience for the silliness of the anti gun types and their constant dishonesty
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    your posts continue to prove that your reasons for supporting gun bans and gun restrictions is not due to you being in search of a way to decrease criminals using firearms but rather you have a cultural loathing of the substantial segment of society that values the freedom to keep and bear arms
     
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  20. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Assumes factoids not in evidence!

    Why did the NRA applaud Trump signing a bill that makes it easier for the mentally unstable to obtain guns?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ng-easier-mentally-ill-guns-article-1.2985698

     
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    Assumes extremist gun worshiping factoids not in evidence!
     
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    I guess you are unable to understand that those people were not ones who had lost their constitutional rights through due process of law under the GCA of 68. You quoted a biased and dishonest article that is not truthful-which is par for the course when it comes to the anti gun movement.

    do you get the fact that only those who were ADJUDICATED mentally incompetent have lost their rights?
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that's just stupid. we all see what your purpose on these gun threads is. You are upset with the politics of the NRA and gun supporters. It has nothing to do with a legitimate desire to control violent crime
     
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  24. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your disingenuous allegations are duly noted and disregarded for the nonsense they contain.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you quote the Brady bunch and expect us to believe us and then whine about someone being disingenuous. Tell me-what sort of expertise do you have in this area? Mine is well known. You can take your time, I have a couple students to work with at the range and will be back in a few hours
     
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