Aussy cartoonist cops it from the PC police over Sarina Williams

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  1. Tergara

    Tergara Active Member

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    I mean I guess it isn't racist since she isn't saying yessa massa.

    But seriously, people being offended happens when you use stereotypical exagerrations from racist cartoons. There were lots of ways the artist could have portrayed this that would have made the same joke that wouldn't have been nearly so bad.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    The message is she was a poor sportsman. If she had big ears, he would make them larger. If she had small eyes, he would make them smaller. And so on. Not race-based, though he was making her look more like a baby.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would you exaggerate those features. In a cartoon.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why?
     
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    It is one of many tools on how society in the past dehumanized the black members of society. Eventually it became so common place that people didnt even think about it. Like this

    [​IMG] OR a more recent one [​IMG]

    https://ferris.edu/jimcrow/cartoons/
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok.

    Why wasn't the other black woman in that cartoon given exaggerated features.

    Also, is it racist to give white people exaggerated features in a cartoon?

    Finally, how does exaggerated features in a cartoon imply they are inferior?
     
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    So to answer your question, the cartoons that used those exagerrated features in the past were the ones that both implicitly and explicitly made the arguments that Africans were inferior. So calling back to those cartoons is calling back to something that historically was used to denigrated African Americans
     
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    Vman you are being intentionally obtuse. I have seen your writing for years and know very well that you understand what the concern is about that cartoon. I have no problem trying to enlighten those that may not understand. But YOU do and are intentionally ignoring the historical contrasts that are being made. Basically I am calling you on the B.S. because we know you know better.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Great, then you know where I'm going.

    A drawing that exaggerates existing features cannot be racist in and of itself, unless there is some kind of racial MESSAGE underlying the purpose of the cartoon.

    Cartoons, by their nature, ALWAYS exaggerate features.

    The features you listed are SCIENTIFICALLY larger on blacks in general, and very much so in her case.

    A cartoon depicting Obama's ears, for example, is not a racist statement in and of itself.

    The CONTENT of that cartoon is NOT racist, even if content in other cartoons in the past WERE racist.

    As I said, there are TWO black women in that cartoon.

    Only one is exaggerated.
     
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  10. Brexx

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    I fully understand what the cartoon is saying. I don't see racism. All you can see is racism, which is to say that any caricature of any black person is racism.
     
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    So... does that mean he was racist by accident?
     
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    Well yes, obviously. But then again the entire core BELIEF of the Left in the United States during the eight years of Barack Obama's utter joke of a presidency was that Black people CANNOT be treated the same as anyone else; and that anyone purporting to do so must be . . . a . . . racist. Most of our leftists act as if they really believe this.
     
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    Let me ask you another question:

    Can you portray a black person in a cartoon WITHOUT it being racist?

    If so, what would the requirements be?
     
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    No fat lips
    No fuzzy hair
    No dark skin

    My brother suffered from what they call "lubra lips"
    "Lubra lips" means an aboriginal woman with fat lips.
    Of course, if you call a woman a "lubra" who claims aboriginal somewhere
    deep in her ancestry (my bro is 1/64th aboriginal) you are a "racist."

    Anyhow, to stop the taunts he had plastic surgery.

    But... if you draw a cartoon you require identifiable features - big lips, big
    ears (prince Charles) thick neck (Trump) etc.. The message here is that
    you can't draw black people in cartoon form - but you can draw white people
    in cartoon form.

    ... just like Australia's "black deaths in custody" ignored the equivalent numbers
    (per head of prison population) of white deaths.
    The cartoonist Doonesbury was right - it isn't about logic, it's about numbers.
     
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    Then you should focus on that and recover. I've been reading/watching Knights cartoons for decades. He explodes characteristics and no one, not anyone, is safe. That's his style. A long bow drawn to even suggest he is racist. Try not to be so precious.
     
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    It seems clear to me that some members here aren't listening. If it's racist it's racist is your stubborn view. So here is a number of examples of Knights cartoons that should (if you are willing to listen and observe) convince you that his cartoons and their portrayal is equal no matte rif black, yellow or any other skin color.
    The first one created controversy like Serena's. It's about Aborigine fathers. aborigine.jpg
    Here is our past Prime Minister Paul Keating shown as "the grim reaper". He showed opposition to a "assisted dying legislation of one of our states. The grim reaper was previously used as a Anti AIDES/HIV character of early 1980's so this wasn't all that flattering. This one is of our past Prime minister Tony Abbot and the One Nation leader of a right wing party Pauline Hanson. Not very uplifting characters keating.png . hanson abbot.jpg gillard.jpg This next one is of our once Prime Minister Gillard. A white woman. Notice the long pointy nose? royals.png These are the white Royals. Nice big ears for Charles eh?
    Clearly anyone of these people could be offended with these cartoons. The point to make here is- his cartoon of Williams wasn't any different.
     
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    Except they weren't exaggerated, it was simply all wrong.

    I didn't watch the match, but when I looked up the scene being interpreted, it was obvious the cartoonist didn't get the features right and so his "exaggerations" were way off/wrong. None of the people involved, including her, were depicted correctly matter of fact. "Exaggerations" or not.
     
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    Yeah he had this all the way wrong.
     
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    No he didn't She had a pony tail while actually playing that day and it was dyed blonde. That was what he presented in the cartoon. Other than that CORRECT detail, he portrayed her with a brown skin tone. His depiction of Serena was also accurate but exaggerated because; he was creating a cartoon.
     
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    Al Sharpton HAS to be the cartoonist ... otherwise ... it's racist. :roll:
     
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    And the present, because it’s the way she actually looks.
     
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    So maybe, like my part aboriginal brother, she should have
    lip surgery and brighten her skin up a bit - like Michael Jackson.
     
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    Yeah I was the kid who the principal got called on because that whiny little cuck “Was Offended” by a Totenkopf ring and a flag I brought in for Show and tell. Needless to say, when my guardian at the time was called I got to go back to class with the ring and the flag.
     
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    Exactly.

    That's the real message. The claim people are making is that if you exaggerate the features of a black person in a cartoon, you're a racist.

    Features that, scientifically, are dominant in black people.

    In Serena's case, even more so.

    It's not racist to draw Serena with exaggerated lips, or exaggerated ass, or fuzzy hair because those ARE her noticeable features and exaggerating features is what cartoons DO.

    The message here is that they expect cartoonists to either a) draw a portrait or b) actually reduce and or normalize her physical characteristics

    They are expecting us to treat black people different from other people in cartoons.

    That's the real racism.
     
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    You mean like this:

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