Do you agree with race realism?

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Do you agree with race realism?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't exist in America because you found 1 neighborhood in America that is a nice black neighborhood?
     
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    There is hardly any slavery in my neighborhood. Just the slave owner down the street growing cotton on his balcony. Hardly seems worth it really but who am I to judge?
     
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  3. Conservative Democrat

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    Blacks have better than equal opportunities. They have superior opportunities because of affirmative action. They lag behind because they tend to be quite a bit less intelligent than whites and Orientals. If white racism explains high rates of black crime and illegitimacy, why have black rates of crime and illegitimacy risen since the civil rights escalation was passed?
     
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  5. Conservative Democrat

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    Once I was in a situation similar to that of Trayvon Martin. One night I rode my bicycle past an office building where I had worked as a security guard several years earlier. Because I am retrospective, I rode my bicycle into the parking lot behind the office building.

    Two security guards came out and looked at me. I got off of my bicycle and walked with it over to talk to them. "Excuse me," I began. "Am I trespassing?'

    When I was told I was I apologized and told them I would leave immediately. We had a brief, friendly conversation, and I left. That is the way a civilized man behaves in a situation like that.

    If Trayvon Martin behaved that way, he would still be alive.
     
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  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And where has this happened recently?
    If the guards had chased you down from when you rode by and then shot you dead for running you would have something in common with Martin, as it happened wasn't the same at all.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    What truths are these?
     
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    What specific opportunities are African Americans denied? Certainly not housing as lenders and realtors are watched carefully by government agencies. Certainly not in jobs as there are rigid laws set to create an atmosphere that makes employers afraid not to hire them or fire them even with cause. Certainly not in education as the university system had created grade inflation. Certainly not in politics as Obama was elected which could not have happened without white support. So what is left. How are African Americans so put upon in your opinion?
     
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    And that difference is CULTURE.

    Try living with African migrants, rather than African Americans .. you'll note stark differences there, too. And they're the same race!
     
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    Agreed. So no need for race-based discriminatory practices like AA, etc.
     
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    Only the Progressive Left is saying that (en masse) today.
     
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    How you you 'chase' someone who isn't running? If they're standing still, right in front of you, and respectfully complying with all requests/orders, why would you need to chase them?
     
  13. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Which is just what I said.

    Martin wasn't running at first. He was just walking when Zimmerman pulled up in a truck and accosted him.
     
  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I disagree. Most of this thread has been an ongoing argument as to whether blacks aren't less intelligent, more aggressive and less "monogamous" (and that seems a strange one. most of the Great Civilizations were polygamous at best.) than the main run of humanity
     
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    While genetics plays a role in in the neurological basis for the capacity of humans for the adaptation advantage of culture, humans are not unique in having that neural infrastructure and genetics appears to play no role in which specific culture any offspring will exhibit. Take an infant from any random parents from any culture anywhere, raise it in another culture than the biological parents and that child will be perfectly assimilated in the culture in which it was raised... that fact is universally accepted by any anthropologist and countless examples demonstrate the independence of genetics to specific cultural attributes.
     
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    Sure, but only the Progressive Left is declaring black Americans incapable of self-determination and decency.

    People with less racist ideologies, don't think black people are incapable of self-determination and decency.
     
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    Race Differences In Average IQ Are Mostly Genetic, Not Cultural Medical Research News 7-25-7

    A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.
    The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."...

    5. Trans-Racial Adoption Studies. Race differences in IQ remain following adoption by White middle class parents. East Asians grow to average higher IQs than Whites while Blacks score lower. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children to age 17 and found race differences were even greater than at age 7: White children, 106; Mixed-Race children, 99; and Black children, 89.

    https://rense.com//general77/racedif.htm
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Affirmative Action is not based on race as much as historical (not recent) income, of which one's putative 'race' is a reliable indicator
    Who has said that, where and when; can you quote them?

    The right OTOH, has reams of "statistics" (there are 3 types lies; lies, damned lies and statistics - Mark Twain ) that "prove" blacks are violent and "not monogamous"
     
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    Black and Hispanic homebuyers are significantly more likely to get turned down for a conventional mortgage loan, according to new data.

    A recent analysis from Zillow shows that in 2016, nearly 21% of black applicants were denied a conventional loan, while 15.5% of Hispanics were. Those rates are down from 2007, when black applicants were turned down 34.3% of the time and Hispanics faced denials on 30% of applications. The national denial rate is down, too, dropping from 18% in 2007 to 9.8% in 2016.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alyyal...ith-minorities-new-report-shows/#7ba9bdd3509a

    Laws changing doesn't change the situation immediately.
    I've said several times in this thread already, it takes 3 generations at least to get the mindsets to change.

    People don't change their ways because the laws change.
     
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    So far, you're the only one uttering those words.
     
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    AA had very little to do with race.
    Why do foreigners, claimed to be anyway, make statements about USA when they are clueless about USA laws?
     
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    Yes and credit scores also account for denials. But affirmative action and the EEOC and grade inflation and minority set asides still exist so racism remains an excuse for differential success.

    You seem to want people to think differently even in spite of evidence against your most cherished beliefs in victimization.

    If you really want to change mindsets quickly I suggest that children in public school be encouraged to alert authorities that their parents have expressed and encouraged racist thinking to them at home.

    This could be viewed as child abuse and the offending parents could be arrested and the children be sent to foster care with a family that has been instructed to teach them the evils of racism.

    Whatever one thinks if this, it would be effective in eliminating racism which many think is the ONLY real problem in western culture.

    How would you feel about this?
     
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    Why do Asians generally become successful without claims of victimization? Could it be hard studying and hard work without demands for special treatment?
     
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    The average IQ of an American Negro is 85. The average for an Oriental is 106. That has a lot to do with it. Civilization and cold weather both select for intelligence. That is why the two civilized races have the highest IQ averages of any races.

    The last twelve thousand years of human evolution have not prepared most Negroes for the demands of civilization. These are intelligence, obedience to the law, and monogamy. When a civilization allows polygamy, the vast majority still practice monogamy. Men who have more than one wife still take care of their biological children. The Negro pattern is for a man to have as many illegitimate children as possible, while doing nothing to support them. This pattern evolved in Africa because a woman could tend crops without the help of a man. In the United States Temporary Assistance for Needy Families perpetuates the ability of a black women to raise illegitimate children without the help of a man. The Negro pattern promotes violence between men, as men fight for sexual access to women. This is responsible for the high rate of homicide, as black men kill other black men.
     
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    My suggestion is that blacks change mindsets by adopting white values and by performing and behaving as well as whites.
     

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