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A damning new article reveals how Trump enables Russian election interference

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Denizen, Aug 9, 2020.

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    The title of the thread is a lie. It only took me a few seconds to read the first paragraph and find out that Trump hadn't actually ordered the spooks to under-report their findings. He just gets angry, supposedly, at some of the reports. The bosses there need to get out of the fire if they can't stand the heat. Somebody must have promised them rose garden instead of a tough job.
     
    fmw, Aug 10, 2020
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    No, not in your world.
     
    RodB, Aug 10, 2020
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  3. Lesh

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    Ok. Link then
     
    Lesh, Aug 10, 2020
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  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This issue requires a nuanced understanding of what happened and why. But I realize it's a favorite talking point of the uninformed so I'd honestly be surprised if you have an interest in learning the truth. If I'm wrong, here you go....

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-it-off-on-combatting-russian-meddling-2018-3
     
    Lee Atwater, Aug 10, 2020
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  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish I had a dollar for every half truth and distortion of fact Trump supporters believe in.
     
    Lee Atwater, Aug 10, 2020
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    Notice how they have subtly moved the goalposts from Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election to Trump enables it to happen.
     
    Booman, Aug 10, 2020
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  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ?????????????
    "Although the Mueller Report does not squarely address these questions of “collusion” that fall outside the scope of potential criminal liability, it can be mined for substantive information that provides some meaningful answers.

    What follows is a detailed guide to the Mueller Report’s evidence on collusion. The analysis discusses affirmative evidence and countervailing evidence in the Report, references the Special Counsel’s court filings and reliable news reports that help shed additional light on information in the Report, and identifies significant loose ends that the investigation was unable to answer."
    https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

    One overlooked revelation from Mueller's report is the decision not to charge Donnie J with a crime regarding the Trump Tower meeting due to his stupidity.

    https://siouxcityjournal.com/opinio...cle_c50f7132-0753-58e9-b704-688370ef232f.html

    If not for that there would have been a legit charge of conspiracy. As it is, Trump is lucky Mueller set the bar so high to establish a conspiracy. Had a similar decision been made by a Dem special counsel investigating a Dem prez all hell would have broken loose.

    Nadler: I don't understand why Mueller didn't charge Donald Trump Jr., others in Trump Tower meeting

    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday...tand-why-mueller-didnt-charge-donald-trump-jr
     
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    They are roughly two months away from saying Trump is guilty of being a Russian agent because his barber knew a guy who lived next to a guy whose aunt is from Vladivostok.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry. I don't know what you are trying to get at with nonsense like that. The facts as I laid them out in post 57 are what they are. You can deny them.......the #1 choice of Trumpleton's..........or try to defend Trump in light of them. The rest is just noise.
     
    Lee Atwater, Aug 10, 2020
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  10. Booman

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    Apparently they want Trump to be the first person in history to be incarcerated for the verdict of not not guilty.
     
    Booman, Aug 10, 2020
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  11. Denizen

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    You first.
     
    Denizen, Aug 10, 2020
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  12. Bluesguy

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    Me first what? I was responding to your post, ball in your court.

    So you're setting up for a Biden loss and more RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and you do know Blumenthal is a proven liar. And yes the "Russian interference" last election was "child's play".

    Tell me what have they done to swing votes to Trump and are you now voting for Trump because of it?
     
    Bluesguy, Aug 10, 2020
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  13. Denizen

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    The Russians swing losers and boozers to Trump.

    Bluesguy just gets more extreme when incited by Russian propaganda favoring Trump.
     
    Denizen, Aug 11, 2020
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  14. quiller

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    Nope. The only time I see a Fox item is to a link posted here.
     
    quiller, Aug 11, 2020
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  15. Lesh

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    So you go for what? OAN and Breitbart?
     
    Lesh, Aug 11, 2020
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  16. quiller

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    Headroom was way, way smarter. Not so obviously addled. (I have the series on DVD; it's worth it. Boot? Not so much.)
     
    quiller, Aug 11, 2020
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    Haven't seen OAN in a long time. Had a link to a Breitbart piece in something else I saw. Can't recall what topic or how long ago. Maybe last month.
     
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    Google the testimony of the NSA cyber team chief,
     
    RodB, Aug 11, 2020
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  19. quiller

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    Nothing too inane, very true, but their absolute denial of reality --- compounded by their inexhaustible supply of inane proposals or campaign gimmicks --- usually loses more elections than wins them. Dukakis in a tank, anyone? Biden campaigning from a TV studio so his cue cards people can keep him straight?

    And with the convention this week, when's Groper Joe Biden going to ever wander out of his basement? Will he seal his campaign's doom entirely? The suspense! The suspense!
     
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    Two things about that. One, why are you folks so willing to dismiss someone like Blumenthal for being a "proven liar" but not Trump, while in no way actually refuting what Blumenthal said? Two, I can't think of too many things that would please Vlad more than Americans downplaying what Mueller referred to as "sweeping and systematic" interference in the 2016 election. Then showing no concern over what he is doing in this one.
     
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  21. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I take it you prefer something more along the lines of Trump inciting his rally audience to violence while leading them in a chant to lock up his opponent?

    https://time.com/4256809/donald-trump-l/
     
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    Trump, Russia and an Intelligence Document: Key Moments
    Officials told The New York Times Magazine that the draft of a classified document reporting that Russia favored President Trump in the 2020 election was changed to soften its assessment.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/us/politics/trump-russia.html

    "A little more than a year ago, American intelligence agencies drafted a classified document reporting that the Russian government favored President Trump in the 2020 presidential election, a finding that fit with their consensus that the Kremlin tried to help him in 2016.

    The director of national intelligence was asked to modify the assessment — he did not — and not long afterward, Mr. Trump declared the director was out.

    Soon after the new acting director arrived, an intelligence official changed the document, softening the claim that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia wanted Mr. Trump to win, according to an article published on Saturday by The New York Times Magazine. The investigation includes details not previously reported about the fears of officials in U.S. intelligence agencies under the Trump administration, who described struggling to brief the president without provoking his anger or losing their jobs."
    ..........................................................................
    Those of you who can access the NYT can read the in depth investigation here.

    Unwanted Truths: Inside Trump’s Battles With U.S. Intelligence Agencies
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/08/magazine/us-russia-intelligence.html
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    For those who can't access the article you can hear an interview with the author here.

    https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...mp-s-wrath-delivering-hard-truths-89878597943
     
    Lee Atwater, Aug 11, 2020
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    I heard Trump's first ex-wife's college roomate's brother's gardener likes Russian dressing on his salad. Conspiracy! Peach forta fi!

    Oh and I got another hot tip that Melania is actually a Russian sexbot being controlled by extra-terrestrials.
     
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    Let me know when Trump claims he served in Vietnam under fire. Mueller claims proved to be a few facebook ads and on both sides, no one ever proved it affected the outcome of the election at all and we were reminded Russia has engaged in such activity for decades just as we try to influence their elections with our political propaganda. Did he influence you and your choice? Is he swaying your opinion now in this election?
     
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