Trump's military put into perspective

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  1. kriman

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    Do you think the people who design and build all that equipment, such as Lockheed Martin and Boeing and Grumman, are government employees?
     
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    If you perform any work or functions for the government during that time you are a government employee. Man this is all basic knowledge my man
     
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    All I see is the narrator trying to read a tweet claiming it says something it doesn't. Obviously the narrator doesn't know the definition of "Tariff".
     
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    That is a subjective opinion. What are your facts to back that up? Because Trump has tweeted and stated multiple times that he will impose tariffs on china
     
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    I worked for Eagle Picher and Lockheed Martin. Both corporations design and build equipment for the military and other organizations. I, in no way, worked for the US government at that time. The US government did not have authority to hire me or fire me nor did they pay me. My supervisors were Eagle Picher and Lockheed Martin employees as were their supervisors. Both Eagle Picher and Lockheed Martin were free to bid or not bid on a contract.
     
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    Lol it just keeps getting worse. If you are hired/contracted by the government to do a service for the government whether you are private sector or not you are subject to government jurisdiction. I feel like I'm arguing with a child. Go ahead and report that too. This conversation is over I have no desire to talk to you. Please do yourself a favor and educate yourself on topics before you argue them.
     
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    Yeah he is, has, and will continue to to impose tarrifs on Chinese goods. What does that have to do with making China pay for it?
     
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    China doesn't pay for the tariffs, the American people do
     
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    I know. You are the one claiming Trump said China is paying.... There isn't anything saying that.
     
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    HIS TWEETS. Ok we are done here
     
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    "Their is no reason for the U.S. Consumer to pay the Tariffs, which take effect on China today,”
    -Trump
     
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    Help me understand why individuals choose to come on here and express uniformed opinions and political views that extremely biased based on feelings and not facts? I mean even when facts are laid out they double down and continue on their destructive path of ignorance.... It doesn't take that long to google trump and china tariffs but yet there are people who will fight for trump saying he did the right thing and never said china would pay..... Why continue to run from the truth just to protect a man that only cares for himself and whatever makes him feel good?
     
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    You said "If you perform any work or functions for the government during that time you are a government employee. Man this is all basic knowledge my man" You did not say they were subject to their jurisdiction. They are subject to their jurisdiction only in the sense that they could withdraw their clearance. They might request that a particular person be hired or fired, but they cannot force them to do so.
     
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    Subject to their jurisdiction makes you an employee at that time.
     
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    https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/govtcontracts

    please read this. Any company awarded a government job must pay their employees government wages, which by extension now puts them on the government payroll and makes them employees of the government. You are so lost and uniformed it isn't funny anymore.
     
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    Nope. I did not have to do a thing the US government asked. I was only required to do what Eagle Picher and Lockheed Martin asked me to do
    That does not does not make them a government employee. No where in there does it refer to them as government employees. In the reference it refers to them as contractor employees. <COMMENT EDITED>

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    I can tell everything you mentioned from being a major to now working under government contracts that you have not done any of this. I was actually in the military and I own a business that does government contracts under SAM.gov and I will tell you right now the government makes the decisions while I work for them... do they go directly to my employees? No they come to me and tell me how things will go. My company is put on the government payroll and if my employees take a picture or make a phone call while at work their phone is subject to public records requests because they are employees of the government at that time. you have a long way to go in knowledge about anything government related.

    these forms are not only signed by me but also my employees as an acknowledgement of the challenges they face by being private citizens now working as government employees... anything you say or do while working on a government contract is made available to the public.
     
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    Your company is paid by the government. Your employees are not paid by the government. You can pay them any amount you want provided you meet the government requirements in the contract. The government might make all kinds of demands as a requirement for you to provide services to the government, but that does not make you or your employees a government employee.

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    Anytime you are paid by the government you become a government employee...<COMMENT EDITED>

    my company gets government funds therefore I’ma government entity, my employees are now government employees. Same how a government employees are public servants, they are paid by the government but the government is funded by the public. Same concept buddy.... common sense isn’t so common I guess
     
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    But, we were not paid by the government. The government paid for the contractor's services. The contractor, in turn paid us. Our pay was an expense to our employee. And therefore, the contractor either makes a profit or loses money in part on how well we did.
     
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    Sounds like you feed on a daily dose of CNN and have no idea of the extent Trump has made it tough on China- far beyond past presidents. CNN lies to you. I realize that would be a shock if you could bring yourself to asking if it might be true.... But it is. Everyday.
     
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    my company gets government funds therefore I’ma government entity, my employees are now government employees. Same how a government employees are public servants, they are paid by the government but the government is funded by the public.<COMMENT EDITED>
     
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    I watch CNN and Fox buddy.

    Before I start listing all these facts and data that is government released information to the public as well as interviews with certain people. I would love to hear why you think trump has been so tough on China and really put the clamps on them... this should be entertaining
     
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    Yes, you don't have to pay the tarrif if you buy from elsewhere. It's a matter of national security and long term success of the USA. We should do business with countries that have the same goals and values we have. By doing business with them we help them develop and grow as a nation. For China that means expanding their military and borders. This is bad for the USA and the world as a whole.
    If we need cheap labor, we can look to Mexico. They have even lower wages, are closer, and we can trust Mexico more than we can China.
     
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    That went way over your head. I’m sorry I’m not spelling everything out.

    my previous reply was a copy and paste of a trump tweet, so this entire message and how frustrated you are should be directed towards trump as he is the one who made that statement. I thought I made that clear by putting trump under the quote
     

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