Killing Obamacare means pre-existing conditions not covered!!!

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yep, be careful what you wish for, this is a slippery slope that could be used to control people, you ever drink alcohol, ever smoked, ever been overweight, spend too much time in the sun, ever played sports, then higher insurance, ect...
     
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    Yeah? So? I'm already aware of that. I already know I have to fork over more $$$ because of conditions I have. So why should I not be incentivized to lower my risks? Oh I get it. you want EVERYONE to suckle off the government breast.
     
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    anti-vaxer, higher insurance rates, the list goes on - slippery slope
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    this is the classic Republican perspective on America as a society.

    "not my problem, go cry in a corner, i dont care if you die, i gots to care about myself"
     
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    it's part of the 'me me me' generations thinking
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its soo sad that soo many americans still feel this way in the 21st century

    we could be such a great nation if we would just work together for the common good.
     
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    you second sentence contradicts your first...

    Yes, they are ruling if it's Constitutional or not, and if the one part is illegal (which it likely is) if that can be severed

    Maybe you shouldn't discuss matters that you don't know about
     
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    That exactly how it SHOULD be. Not my problem you decide to snort cocaine. It becomes my problem when I am forced to fork over MY money to pay for YOUR treatment. My responsibility extends to mine and my family's alone.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly, if people of the past were so self centered we would never of had railroads, public interstates, fire departments, ect....

    we never would have become the United States

    when society as a whole does better, we all do better
     
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    FALSE!!!!

    try again.

    Obamacare, its rules, the exchanges, were already deemed Constitutional by the Supreme Court.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    we could be such a great nation if we would just work together for the common good, instead of just selfishly only looking out for our individual short-term needs
     
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    then don't buy insurance, cover it all yourself

    insurance pools the risk... that is the point of insurance, the point is not to control others
     
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    indeed, health insurance uses OTHER PEOPLES MONEY to pay for your medical bills if you need expensive surgery or other emergency treatment.

    perhaps we should ban Conservatives from buying health insurance as it violates their Libertarian principles.
     
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    Sure, based on the fact that the mandate was a tax...(ironically the opposite of what the Obama admin was arguing), now that the GOP cut the tax the Dems out on the poor, the law is likely UnConstitutional.....that's what the Courts have ruled...the only question is can that be cut out, or is the entire thing now illegal.
     
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    Nonsense! It would fall under discrimination laws! You know, letting everyone eat, ride, live and go where they like.. You are familiar with discrimination, right?
     
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    yep, it's like doctor shopping, the right stacked the SC, so they vote a certain way, when a bipartisan SC already deemed it constitutional
     
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    There is COBRA, for those in between jobs. Since HD plans are now allowed again, getting a basic plan in place should cover the stopgap, or one of the marketplace plans, for as long as they are around.

    As for retirement, it is one of the considerations that each individual must consider when planning their retirement.
     
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    yeah right, without a job, the average person can not afford cobra
     
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    wrong, they are not deciding on the legality of the program.
     
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    the right likes to claim a public option woudl cost to much

    the reality is, if you add up all that the people pay into private insurance (including employers' portion)... it's way cheaper (and everyone is covered)

    Employees and Employers no longer have the cost of private care - republican never mention that part
     
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    Dont you guys hate those pesky discrimination laws? Or you turning into a democrat?
     
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    well, again you show a lack of understanding....a Libertarian wouldn't want the Govt being the one using others people's money for that purpose...they'd have no problem with individuals creating a business model like that, and people voluntaring to be their clients
     
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    That depends on the person. If they haven't put anything aside, or are unable to make cuts in their expenditures to afford COBRA (you have 60 days to decide if you will take COBRA)then they need to make some decisions.

    I'm not sure why people who do plan, need to b responsible for other people in this respect. There is always Medicaid for the disaster, but forcing everyone to abide by the issues of others, is quite contrary to the aspect of responsibility.
     
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    ahahah you continue to contridict yourself.

    If something is ruled unConstitutional....it is illegal
     
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    that portion was added to appease Republicans, dems had no issues with it being removed
     

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