Study Shows Significant Link Between Mercury and Autism

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Start watching this at the 21:45 time mark.

    Review Of Critical Vaccine Studies 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized 2


    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Review+Of+Critical+Vaccine+Studies+400+Important+Scientific+Papers+Summarized+&&view=detail&mid=7E9BF535DAF3766941217E9BF535DAF376694121&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=Review+Of+Critical+Vaccine+Studies+400+Important+Scientific+Papers+Summarized+&FORM=HDRSC3


    So many sources say so many different things that it's hard to figure out what the truth is.


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    Here's another.
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/about-us/mercury-vaccines-cdcs-worst-nightmare/
     
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  2. Bowerbird

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    Okay so sit back and learn how to critique research but let us start with this

    https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/safety-availability-biologics/thimerosal-and-vaccines

    So, Mercury compounds in vaccines are increasingly rare

    An In Vitro study - which means it may or may not translate to in vivo results

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25708367/

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    or this next one - I checked the validity of the journal as it is a rather obscure one which often means a poor peer review process, the “impact rating” of that Journal is 2.7. To give a comparison the impact rating of “The Lancet” is 60.3. The link you have provided is an abstract only so does not include literature review which, given their conclusions is an essential component. I did however track down the original paper and found it to be questionable at best and biased throughout
    Then I googled the author

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geier

    Deregistered medical officer caught lying about his qualifications

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25461563/

    Interesting - small sample size and included both lead AND mercury so not exactly a smoking gun as we know lead is a neurotoxin especially affecting children

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24995277/

    ooops! Another Mark Geier production - and this journal has an even lower impact rating than the previous one

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11339848/

    Again an abstract only

    ooooh! My old friends from “global research” a right wing fake news anti-science site par excellence!
     
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  3. truth and justice

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    LOL Videos are not proofs!

    Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.
    Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
    Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions.

    For a complete list of vaccines and their thimerosal content level, see the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Thimerosal in Vaccinesexternal icon page. This chart pdf icon[PDF – 4 pages] shows vaccine ingredients sorted by vaccine.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html
     
  4. Scott

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    If we include statistical links in the equation, it points in a certain direction that shouldn't be simply ignored.
    http://www.thinktwice.com/stories.htm
    https://www.vaxxed.com/stories-categorized-by-vaccine/


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    What the guys says may or may not be true.

    You don't seem to be using the scientific method*. Knee-jerk dismissal is not the scientific method. You seem to have an a priori incredulity when you see anti-vax material and a naive willingness to believe when you see pro-vax material. You seem to have a foregone conclusion and you're ignoring anything that doesn't go in the direction of your conclusion. Anyway, that's the feeling I get from you and the others.


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    https://www.google.com/search?sourc...hUKEwiyp87s2PjtAhXKzoUKHTkIAOwQ4dUDCAk&uact=5
     
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  5. Scott

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  6. WillReadmore

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    Please identify a vaccine for childhood disease used in the recent past that contains any of the chemicals accused of causing autism.

    Then, please show how a removal of these chemicals (or reduction to trace amounts) can be noticed in epidemiological studies of occurence of some specific disease.

    You need to figure out how to eliminate the crap that has NO relevance to the world of modern vaccinations and the harm you still claim occurs.

    I'm actually glad o see you reference some science.

    But, next you have to figure out what studies could POSSIBLY apply to vaccinations being used today.

    You can ALWAYS find large numbers of studies on sensitivity to mercury, because that remains as an important issue in US health.

    Specifically, we have Americans who are drinking WATER that has mercury. And, setting standards for how much mercury we have children drinking is a very real issue.

    What is NOT an issue is vaccines.
     
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    In the USA, children get exposed to mercury through drinking water, fish, air (such as coal fired power plant emissions), and other sources.

    A related problem is the failure to carry out monitoring of regulation, which led to the lead catastrophe in Flint, Michigan and was caused by the right wing effort to assure that regulations are followed.

    That failure of regulation caused serious permanent damage to the brains of children exposed to that water.

    AND, the one places that children are NOT getting mercury is through today's childhood vaccines.


    So, what excuse do you have for all this nonsese you attempt to sell?

    If you care about children being exposed to mercury, start working on water standards, on food standards, emission standards for industries (such as coal fired pwer plants). And, start working to defeat the right wing assault on assuring regulatory limits are implemented.

    Why the HECK would you go after vaccines with NO mercury and which very clearly protect children - and do it on the grounds of mercury??

    I really don't get it.

    You need to have a SERIOUS justification for attacking the health of our children in the way you are. And, you have NOT shown such justification in ANY WAY.
     
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    It sounds like you haven't watched the video. The guy cites scientists.
     
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    He is not a scientist and he has a serious agenda.

    Anyone can search "science" and find snippets that support their nonsense.

    There is NO QUESTION concerning what the world of science based medicine thinks of antivax. Surely you are well aware of that.

    If you want to cite some science mentioned in that vid, go for it. You've posted other stuff claiming to be relevant science and I've responded to that.

    I am absolutely and totally uninterested in spending an hour and a half listening to some antivax journalist spew his BS in hopes that someone will buy his book.
     
  12. Scott

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    If you're going to be against something, you should know what it is that you're against. You haven't watched the video and you're opining on it. This would get you laughed out of he debating hall.

    You seem to have a foregone conclusion. I think that video totally debunks your arguments. An objective truth-seeker wouldn't hesitate to watch a video considered to be very important by the other side.
     
  13. WillReadmore

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    No, I'm opinining on antivax.

    I'm ignoring your guy (and tons of other guys). If you want to show something that you see as killing medical science on vaccines and YOU believe that (whatever it is), then post that argument with the cites that support it.

    Let me ask you this: Does your movie reference mercury or thimerosol in any way that pertains to vaccinations of children?

    If so, case closed. But, you knew that, right?
     
  14. Scott

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    Yes, he does. Start watching at the 21:45 time mark.

    No, I don't consider the case to be closed. Watch the video (see post #226).
     
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    It wouldn't surprise me.

    Here's an excerpt from your link.´
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    Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.

    Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.

    Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.
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    Now start watching the video at the 39:25 time mark (see post #226).
     
  17. WillReadmore

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    You missed at least two important parts:
    And,
    Fom the FDA:
    Here is a link from the CDC document to the FDA chart showing vaccine ingredients:
    Please state which vaccine you are worried about and why.

    Then, if the issue is that people may not know that there are varients of flu vaccine that contain NO thimerosol, please explain why the antivax effort is anti ALL vaccines rather than an information/promotional effort for people to request thimerosol versions.
     
  18. Scott

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    I'll start looking at your stuff but, in the meantime, please address the issue I raised in post #241.

    You're being pretty demanding with me but you refuse to watch an important video*. A lot of viewers are probably watching it and you're not impressing them by refusing to watch it.


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    The video is in post #226.
     
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  19. Scott

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    Also, I'd like to hear your analysis of what the guy says at the 21:45 time mark of the video in post #226. He addresses the issues you raised in your last post.
     
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    I was watching this video...
    "I said please give him everything"

    ...which can be found here.
    https://www.vaxxed.com/stories-categorized-by-vaccine/

    Click where it says "Dtap, Tdap" and go to the 3:35 time mark of the video. She says that a vaccine called "Rhogam" contains mercury. I googled around and found this.
    https://vaccinetruth.org/rhogam.html
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    The standard rhogam preparations contain the mercury compound, thimerosal.
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    The woman is a medical professional.

    Let's hear some feedback from the pro-vaccine posters.
     
  21. Scott

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    Here's some more info.
    https://vaccinetruth.org/index.html

    Corrupt CDC EXPOSED: Vaccine-Induced Autism Cover Up and Modern Eugenics


    The Effect of Aluminum in Vaccines on Humans


    Trace Amounts: Ethyl Mercury vs. Methyl Mercury



    https://vaccinetruth.org/index.html
    (excerpt)
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    Since July of 1999, the FDA has "encouraged" manufacturers to remove thimerosal from vaccines. Some have done it, others have not. Today, most vaccines that are being manufactured do not contain thimerosal, or they only contain a "trace amount" 0.5 micrograms. Unfortunately we do not know how many of the old thimerosal products are still on the shelf.
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  22. Scott

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    Here's another good video.

    Dan Burton Demands a Yes or No from FDA - Link to Autism
     
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    Your article forces people to at a minimum supply an email address to mercola.com.

    You might try these sources:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola

    https://quackwatch.org/11ind/mercola/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2019/10/15/fdc01078-c29c-11e9-b5e4-54aa56d5b7ce_story.html

    https://www.capitalgazette.com/chi-how-fda-warning-letters-like-the-one-for-dr-joseph-mercola-over-thermographic-cameras-work-20110426-story.html

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/9-reasons-to-completely-ignore-joseph-mercola-and-natural-news/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/02/fact-check-coronavirus-covid-19-vitamins-c-d-treatment-joseph-mercola/3058491001/
     
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    I clicked on the link and I was able to read the article with no conditions. What happened when you clicked on the link?
     
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    I dont know if mercury causes autism. But , tuna has mercury in it, as does much coming from the sea. the only fish I eat now is alaskan wild caught salmon, and maybe once or twice a year, which is safe.

    I did this because of migraines. The diet switch, over a period of a year or so, my migraines started to wane and finally vanished. Some will argue 'anecdote' and I don't give a damn. I suffered from migraines for years, and i ate tuna almost every day for lunch, I loved the stuff. Giving it up wasn't easy.

    If they are claiming mercury causes autism in children, I'd be inclined to believe it, as, in my view, there is no safe level of mercury.
     

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