Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

Arabs and Druze do pretty well in Israel, all two million of them. They chose to
stay in 1948. They form a large voting block in the Israeli Knesset.

 

Just to let everyone know, the armistice ended. Israel's new government ordered air strikes against Hamas in the Gaza strip in response to incendiary balloons being launched to start fires in S. Israel.

 

How come so many Gaza children become casualties?

 

In my country ARSON is a crime.
Israel must either charge the person releasing such balloons
or charge the govt which won't hand them over.

 

Lol I am not sure who you are a mix of Poobear but thank you for acknowledging my people, not thinking it means I think I am better than anyone, understanding why we returned to our homeland and understanding I do not hate Palestinians but I sure as hell despise people who are terrorists or claim to speak to where the place of Jews is in this universe.

We have a word in Yiddish for people like you, "mensch". You treat everyone the way you want your identity treated, with gentility and respect.

I grew up never as a Zionist to believe Palestinians or Muslims were NOT an enemy or to be hatedate and in fact taught who righteous gentiles were who helped create Israel including Jordanians who donated land and were killed for their benevolence and Elenor Roosevelt who defended my people when the UN and world turned its back on us after WW2.

As for Israelis, people do not understand, they can be Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Beduin, Druze who all served in the IDF and died for the country. It also is the spiritual home of the Bahaii people and Ultra Orthodox Jews who believe Israel is an abomination because until the Messiah returns it is not yet to be recreated.

The Zionist concept that the state serves a special refuge to protect Jews is not a religious concept. It defines Jews as a national people based on common ancestry and shared sense of persecution by non Jews, particularily Christians in Europe and Muslims in the ME that transpired over centuries and culminated in the holocaust and Muslim nations allying with Hitler in a common hatred of Jews.

It does not and has never defined non Jews as less equal to Jews as Muslims do with Jews in Muslim states.

The issues on the West Bank and Gaza are extremely complex and yes they cause hardship to Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens. If the people representing Palestinians renounced terror and said to their people-Israel is a Jewish state that is a fact, get over it, anything else would and could be possible for Israelis and their politicians to agree to, to compromise and find peace with them, including a second Palestinian state where Gaza and the West Bank are.

At this time Palestinians who have no issue with Israel being a Jewish state would be killed in Gaza or the Westbank if they said so. I know many of them. They exist. They do not know how to get their voice out and ironically people claiming to speak for them and what is good for them empower Hamas and the PA to keep them trapped in their spiral of conflict.

As for Israelis its true, there are some nasty extremists all countries have them. Some get elected with hateful opinions to the Knesset and hateful comments ironically have come not just from Jewish Knesset members but Muslim ones. None of them however has stood up in the Knesset like PA members in their assembly or Hamas in their assembly and unanimously chanting Death to the West Bank, Death to Gaza, Death to Muslims as is done in reverse. In fact if they did they would be removed from the Knesset and if they went on the streets and promoted such talk they would be arrested no different than an extremist from the other side cheering on violence.

The IDF is not Hamas. It doesn't use its people as fodder. It each day tries to devise new tactics to avoid deaths of Palestinians. No its not perfect. My friends served in it. They were and are not angels but some died so that Palestinian civilians would not. Does anyone think a Hamas terrorist would die protecting a Palestinian civilian let alone an Israeli one? So for me when people draw moral equivalence between the 2, you bet I piss defiance back at them.

We also should be very clear-half of the PA is in fact a series of over 150 terrorist cells. The other half poses as an elected assembly of politicians who claim they are not terrorist but stand up led by Abbas their leader chanting Death to Israel.

Ironically as I speak thousands of gay Muslims from countries and the Gaza and the WestBank flee to Israel for safety.

Also I would state this. During the Yugoslav civil war, no Muslim countries took in displaced Muslim refugees. Israel took in 20,000 Muslims who live in Israel as Israeli citizens and are proud Israelis.

 

Some of this stuff I have not heard before, and that's A Problem.
Thanks for all your work - I hope you speed type!
So as soon as I get some money together I am going to go see Israel.
Thinking of flying to Cairo for 2-3 days there at the pyramids and museum,
then a bus trip to Jerusalem - half my time there on bus tour, other half in
a hire car or wandering around Jerusalem.
Cool - been reading lots on the Roman wars and the 20th Century wars
there - you might not be religious but there are events in both centuries
that seem out of the ordinary to someone who reads war stuff all the time.

Like --- Six day war ----
Syria and Egypt not coordinating properly
Jordan-Egyptian codes not set on the first day
Egyptian anti-aircraft crews stood down in Egypt day one.
Jordan forced into war because of Egypt's lies - and losing the temple
Egypt forcing Jordan to pull their troop out of Jerusalem
Iraqi pilot defecting with latest MIG one year prior
etc..

ps I will keep a copy of your interesting post.

 

Not sure this will end well:

 

Certainly, a Pox on all Jewish settlers.
But here's the deeper problem - Arabs see ALL Jews as settlers, the whole seven million of them,
and by implication - Christians, Druze, Bedouin etc.. And there won't be peace until they hand this
land 'back' to Arabs.
Never mind Bedouin, Christians and most of all Jews, have been in this land far longer than Arabs.

 

The problem is countries like mine believe in a two state solution without there being a two state solution.

For starters, recognising Palestine if we're serious about the two sate solution or getting rid of Israel if we're serious about peace for all.

 

Here's the irony. Jews were happy for a two state solution way back with the UN mandate.
Palestinians don't want a two state solution. Saying you are happy to live with Jews in Palestine
is enough to get you killed.

 

So, you think they should be sent to Turkey? The British Mandate took effect after the fall of the Ottoman Empire during WWII. The Ottomans identified the area after the valley of Palestine but they were considered Syrian Jews. The British Mandate originally called for the country to be designated as Palestine as depicted below would become a home country for Jews and Transjordan would become a country for displaced so-called Palestinians.



But the final Mandate removed the homeland for the Jews, and placed the whole thing under divided Palestine under Jordan and Syrian rule. The fact remains that there never has been a country of Palestine. Therefore, these people are already in their country of origin, but their country of origin decided not to recognize them as citizens. As a result they have been forced to live as stateless citizens. They are being forced not by Israel, but by the countries that their families were originally citizens.

The fact that Israel has acquired their country through Civil War as most countries have done, and added to those lands after they were attacked by an invading army. As is usual in those cases, the treaties that followed those invasions, gave Israel more territory. These lands should fall fully under Israel :Laws and control but Israel has allowed them semiautonomous rule in the name of the PLA. This in spite of the fact that the PLA has consistently called for the extinction of Israel and have attacked them numerous times. Israel is one of a very few countries that the UN has required to limit land use control of territory that has been ceded to them by armistice or treaties.

 

You must be the only person ive ever met who thinks ashken azi israelis are descended from biblical israel.

Iguess most old white americans have the same doctrine as you??

 

Why? Your nationality does not change your ancestry. Further, Judaism is a religion just as Islam or Catholicism. If a country is founded as a home for a religious sect then the nation of origin does not matter. European Jews have a clear and definable link, whether through ancestry or faith, to the Biblical Israelites. I included Catholicism because there is a City/State established in Rome that is recognized with separate diplomatic status from Rome or Italy. As long as their diplomatic status is recognized by the international community, your argument fails. The international community should recognize the State of Israel as the homeland of the Jews. All Jews. No matter where the originated from . To claim otherwise is nothing but anti-Semitic rhetoric.

 

I am not American, though my ancestors come from there.

DNA ties Ashkenazi Jews to group of just 330 people from Middle Ages - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

All of the Ashkenazi Jews alive today can trace their roots to a group of about 330 people
who lived 600 to 800 years ago.
So says a new study in the journal Nature Communications. An international team of scientists
sequenced the complete genomes of 128 healthy Ashkenazi Jews and compared each of those
sequences with the others, as well as with with the DNA of 26 Flemish people from Belgium.
Their analysis allowed them to trace the genetic roots of this population to a founding group in
the Middle Ages...
Despite their close ties with Europe, no more than half of their DNA comes from ancient Europeans,
the researchers found. Only 46% to 50% of the DNA in the 128 samples originated with the group
of people who were also the ancestors of the Flemish people in the study. Those ancient people
split off from the ancestors of today’s Middle Easterners..
The rest of the Ashkenazi genome comes from the Middle East, the researchers reported.
This founding group “fused” with the European
founding group to create a population of 250 to 420 individuals. These people lived
25 to 32 generations ago, and their descendants grew at a rate of 16% to 53% per generation,
the researchers calculated.

 

If our disagreements were limited just to the WB we would hardly disagree, sadly that's not the case.

 

Aha....
Hamas certainly does and all you BDS guys here do is commend and support Hamas, so....

But....the rest of your words I do support.

 

I'll just say this...for everything that counts Jews all around the world gathered in Israel, built it, fought for it and live in it, for all that counts the prophecy is being fulfilled.

 

Lucky for us that your opinion doesn't matter. Even the Biden administration told Israel to stop that policy of kicking out the arabs from their houses to be replaced by israeli jews outside israel.

 

It is the faith of the Jew to claim the land of Canaan. Their faith even supports committing genocide so the Jew is able to get that land.
That is the reason why Jews want to be in Israel. That is the reason why the Jews have been ethnic cleansing and murdering out Arabs in and outside Israel.
The Palestinians have no such faith.

 

To understand that part of the world its necessary travel their to see the no.1 issue was and will always be access to fresh water. All the rest is just hot air. Access to fresh water, then sanitation those are the two overwhelming issues and ironically they do not discriminate based on religion or nationality.

It also is the home of as you know 3 major religions and this I can promise you-whether they are Muslim, Christian or Jewish the ones who claim to be the most religious have beards and for people who claim to be close to God, they have the exact same body odour and bad breath.

 

You are just dropping the whole charade of the UN giving Jews right to take half a country.
You are also just dropping that the Jew got ethnic religious right above the right of the indigenous Palestinians.
And that it would be only fair that Arabs get their real estate back, since Israeli Jews have no problems in claiming their got real estate beyond Israel.

You're just distracting away from all that, by using some meme that has nothing to do with Jews attacking Palestinians.

 

The country of origin would be Israel, since that is where they came from and not Turkey.
Israel put a ban on the return on Arabs for being Arab after 1948 when they proclaimed to be a country.

 

You only disagree that stolen Arab property inside Israel is fine for the Jew to keep, out of ethnic/religious reasons.
It has nothing to do with modern day norms and values.

 

I will try clarify the above the best I can because I appreciate your comments.

1-In regards to your statement " your nationality does not change your ancestry" Zionism was not created to change anyone's ancestry, it is a concept that expanded to the definition of being a Jew as being expressed through and protected as a Jew in the expression of nationhood.

2-Judaism is a religion but being Jewish is NOT limited to practicing Judaism. The group identity of sharing being a Jew was never based simply on practicing Judaism. Many Jews don't practice Judaism.

So you are quite correct for some but not all Jews and this is where many anti Israelis get confused.

 

why what?
Biblical Israel is a bloodline, a lineal descent. Not a religion because with religions you get converts and with converts you get imposters and with imposters you get fake jews. the bible talks about fake jews and how they will assume the identity of the chosen ones, did you know that?

to claim that the biblical israelites [were/are] not a black ppl is anti semitic and racist.