Are you actually ready to buy an Electric Vehicle?

Gas stations like the EV need electricity.
9.4 percent of posters say they own an EV.
0 Percent say they will buy one in the next 12 months.
Perhaps I should have asked who will buy a fuel powered car. Seems plausible there are more of those.

 

As we've seen for the past 105 years, Germany goes through wild swings in government that range all the way from monarchy to democracy to fascism to socialism.

Right now they're going through one of their Loonier-than-usual Tunes phases of 'one-world-über-alles' as practiced by fanatical "Gut Menschen" (so called 'good people': i.e., "the Greens"). This philosophy embraces all that is 'new' and despises all that is 'old' (that which was commonly practiced in the world prior to the 21st-century).

When Germany cycles out of the current idiot-fringe period, they'd do well to concentrate on compressed natural gas (CNG) vehicles, because the country will be awash in vast quantities of cheap, clean natural gas from Russia via the Nord Stream II pipeline! Germans are, after all, rooted in pragmatism, common sense, and intelligence. Oh, and when they come to their senses they do appreciate getting 'the most bang for the buck'....

 

They'll get the gas so long as they don't irritate the Russians.

 

The Germans appear to have warm-and-warmer relationships with Russia, and during the past ten years or so, German relationships with the U. S. have been deteriorating.

Most Germans didn't like Trump's pompous arrogance, and they absolutely despised and loathed the American ambassador that Trump sent over to Germany named Richard Grenell. But, remember, they laughed at Obama behind his back, realizing that his foremost political attribute was being half-Black, and they didn't appreciate the fact that American intelligence agencies stooped to bugging their Chancellor Merkel's CELLPHONE, among other things.

But Russia, and Putin...? Pootski speaks very fluent German, right down to the same dialect as Merkel (who grew up as a young woman in East Germany) where the Soviet Union had a strong presence, with Putin stationed there with the KGB for a number of years. Here's an interesting view of Putin's "formative years" in East Germany, presented by the BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222

Today? Putin's neo-Capitalist Russia, Xi's neo-Capitalist China, and Germany get along with each other very well. The natural gas will be there for Germany in abundance -- bank on that!

. "Or, if you prefer, you can pay a HELL of a lot more and buy LNG from the U. S."

 

Intelligence agencies spy because people lie.

 

Yes exactly!
We usually charge at 120v but if we need a faster charge we just plug into my welder receptacle in the garage.
That 50 amp circuit gives us a 32 miles per hour charge rate.
That is plenty fast enough. You don't need any special electrical installation for normal use.

 

Your battery will last longer with slow charge...that's all I'm suggesting.

1. Stop Quick Charging

"Using quick charge to charge your EV battery seems like a great way to get a charge fast so you can drive, and yes you can charge faster when you put the battery on quick charge, but every time you use quick charge, it takes a little life away from the battery. Let’s put this into perspective. If you charge with a normal charge for eight years, your battery might show at least 80% left in it. Charging with a quick charge for all those years can decrease your battery life down to 70% or lower in the same amount of time. While it may not seem like a major difference, it is the difference between a battery lasting for a few more years or finding yourself in need of spending money to buy a new battery sooner than you planned."

 

It's becoming an old story.



GM issues 2nd Bolt recall; faulty batteries can cause fires

 

And I pointed out that you were wrong. I explained in detail. You keep on cutting and pasting something which is irrelevant for the here and now.

 

Because you call it irrelevant...does not make it so.
The EV battery will last longer if slow charging is used more than fast.
Your opinion does not change that fact. And you've provided nothing but your opinion.
Fast charging is for convenience...not what is optimum for battery life.
If you have information to the contrary...then perhaps you will post it.

 

You're probably right. I'm not familiar with your area at all.
All I can say from personal experience is that a person driving 40 miles a day round trip,
say to work and back every day, then coming home and plugging in a Tesla Model 3
to a normal 115V receptacle in the garage...will be fully charged by morning and ready to go.
I do live in an area where it can get to 20 below zero in winter and has been as low as 50 below (wind chill).
If you have a welding receptacle in your garage, you can plug in the Tesla and charge at a rate
of 32 miles per hour. That means you could drive 256 miles round trip per day, plug
in when you get home, and still be fully charged by morning.
And you would be doing your battery a favor by not not using a Super Charger every day.
You really don't need a super charger at all, unless you are traveling long distances from home.
It's also kind of nice not to have to go to petrol stations any more....or change oils...
or exhaust systems, catalytic converters, etc..

 

I have been reading lately about electric car batteries and 'rapid' chargers, which evidently shorten the life of these monstrously-expensive batteries and/or negatively affect their performance.

Conclusion: as it stands in 2021, I'd be up for the idea of a car that burns hydrogen or natural gas instead of gasoline/diesel -- but -- at this point, NOT one that runs on electricity....

 

And there you have it.

Gabmux believes Math and Physics are opinions. So 2+2=4 is and opinion according to gabmux.

 

I had approached my junior year in college before I finally accepted the facts that:

1. a minus number times a minus number always yields a plus number.
2. a minus number times a plus number always yields a minus number.

I don't know which of you two gentlemen is right (or, if both of you are)... just pointing out that there can be 'shades-of-grey'.

Oh, believe it or not, I graduated from UT Austin with a BS (w/honors) degree... but that was back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, and a bit before colleges had turned into largely functionless, hyperliberal propaganda factories....

 

-2i * -2i = -4

You're a real credit to your school.

 

I never saw that before, Bob. Please define "i". "Integer"...?

 

More evidence against EV's.
Testimony on the Folly of Electrifying the U.S. Transportation System
ECONOMICS AND POLICY JULY 26, 2021
"Testimony delivered before the House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis in June by Robert Bryce, a visiting fellow at the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, raised a warning on the potential hazards of electrifying transportation and the regressive costs of continued federal subsidization of the sale of electric vehicles (EVs).

“Electrifying parts of our transportation system may result in incremental reductions in greenhouse gas emissions,” Bryce argued. “But a look at history, as well as an analysis of the supply-chain issues involved in manufacturing EVs, the resource intensity of batteries, and the increasingly fragile state of our electric grid – which is being destabilized by bad policy at the state and national levels – shows that a headlong drive to convert our transportation systems to run on ‘green’ electricity could cost taxpayers untold billions of dollars, increase greenhouse gas emissions, be bad for societal resilience, make the U.S. more dependent on commodity markets dominated by China, make us less able to respond to extreme weather events or attacks on our infrastructure, and impose regressive taxes on low and middle-income Americans in the form of higher electricity prices.”

“EVs … impose … societal costs that are likely to exacerbate inequality and lead to more energy poverty,” Bryce continued. “Those costs include taxpayer-funded subsidies given to EV buyers, publicly funded charging stations, and the grid upgrades that will be needed to support the electrification of light and heavy-duty vehicles. Those costs will impose a significant cost burden on low and middle-income consumers, even though those consumers are unlikely to purchase EVs.”. . . ."

 

Yes. Agree.
A motor with hydrogen as fuel, seems the most logical choice so far.

And hydrogen fuel cells...I think that's what they're called....
can produce electricity for homes.

 

Still just your opinion....
for which you've offered nothing to support.

Batteries do not fare well with faster charging methods...at least not so far.
My point is that some folks may be apprehensive
about owning an EV because they think they will need to install
expensive charging equipment. That is simply not true.
Most folks do not drive their vehicles all day long. They sit in the driveway
or in the garage most of the time. A simple 115V 20A circuit is all they need.
Designated charging stations are getting more available all the time. Tesla gives you an adapter
to use other forms of commercial charging equipment.

https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC

 

Your math skills are highly questionable....
Look at your post below....

According to the NEC, a 15A circuit can run continuous at 80%....
which according to anybody's math...(except yours)
means that a 15 amp circuit can provide 12 amps continuously....and safely.

Where are you getting your 3-4 ampere calculations....or are you just making things up???

 

Yo, @Bob Newhart , are you going to define "i", or not...? I'm hoping that you have a proof showing that 'a minus times a minus is NOT a plus', thus supporting a view I held many years ago. Don't desert me now!

Parenthetically, I showed your equation to a good friend who graduated from college with a bachelor's degree in math (honors), and she said she has no idea what you're talking about....

 

My wife is considering getting that Mini SE hardtop. I’m trying to convince her that a gas/electric hybrid would be more practical.

 

Tough to answer as at some point we will all have EV's. I guess your age depends on the answer. I didn't vote but, for me, I'm keeping my fuel car until EV's are similarly priced and "fueling" them isn't an out of the way chore. Once those conditions are met I'm fine with making the change.

 

I don't know you so you may not have read me make this comment in the past.
I am 83 (as of 8/23) and this is fact. I was a Freshman in college when I made this prediction back in 1957. America would have autos that are elect powered as a normal vehicle. Then the battery was not remotely as well developed. A thing bugging me is the weight of the batteries needed to go long range. Gasoline is very energy dense and very light weight for the energy it produces.
You may use 6lb x 20 gal to go 600 miles. A battery that energy dense is not in autos. And you will carry perhaps 2000 pounds to travel that far on batteries.

Tesla pack weighs 1060 pounds for a range of 220 miles.

 

As a pilot of airplanes, the thing bothering me a lot about EV is not one thing, but more.
1. Battery pack weight
2. Danger of pack catching fire
3. Cost to replace
4. Density of energy costs


For example you can move 120 pounds of gasoline at less cost and effort than over 2,000 pounds of batteries. (20 gal gasoline)