Tucker Carlson may be able to fool gullible Fox viewers, but not federal courts

That is a question of fact for the jury to decide, not you and not me. I know I don't give enough f's to spend the time it would take to go through everything, but I will say this... If you are right, and the prosecutors went over them with a fine toothed comb as you suggested, and still refused to give them to a defense attorney who was begging for them, I have a serious problem with that. Not because I care about horny dude, or whether or not he goes to prison, but because the rules of evidence are sacrosanct, and violating them is violating someone's right to confront witnesses against them.

Or is it your position that these defendants do not have that right for some reason?

 

So, you simply don’t know what the sixth amendment is about.

 

Maybe his lawyer didn't do ANY research.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-january-6-jacob-chansley-tucker-carlson-193191103193

 

So, the prosecutor gets to decide that?? If you are on trial for a rape you didn't commit, and the prosecutor is sitting on a DNA report that you are certain will exonerate you, they get to decide it's not favorable, so you don't get to see them? (While not telling the Judge or your attorney that they in fact know better?)

I really hope you are wrong, because if you are not, our entire justice system is a sham.

 

He’s wrong. @Alwayssa seems to be promoting a crooked and partisan justice system. Most leftists do.

 

The QAnon Shaman got tossed in jail for what he did inside.

as posted... I indeed stated "the book wasn't thrown at the Qanon Shaman"

Tucker tries to claim there was no riot, by cherry picking only show parts where there was indeed no violence... while we all saw massive amounts of vids that showed a hell of a lot of violence. The dems have a problem with Tucker's idea to whitewash it all. And it seems you're buying the cherry picking nonsense.

You mean, after a violent mob of fascist beat their way passed the cops outside, the Qanon Shaman was among the first to go and hunt down politicians for the sake to make Trump their dictator. The reason that this did not happen, is that the politicians were able to flee for their lives and hide out somewhere, because the cops were able to hold them fascists back long enough. And subsequently he got arrested for obstructing an official proceeding. He pleaded guilty to it.

 

No, the prosecutor withheld evidence during the discovery phase.

 

The government answers to the people. The people don't answer to the government.

 

I read and listen to all these attacks on Fox and consider them an attack on the First Amendment. Fox is the only viable alternative to the mass of left leaning alternatives.

Whether Fox is right or wrong or more correctly, whether some on Fox are right or wrong, we must continue to watch and support Fox. Even if you do not agree with them, you should be willing to fight for their continued viability. And by "you", I mean those on both the left or right. As much as I detest, MSNBC, I would never call for their demise.

I came to this conclusion while watching Chuck Schumer ranting about Fox.

 

As I said before, every person that came through those doors could have been charged with what they charged him for.

No but his sentence makes no sense except making an example of him for how he was dressed,
when he did nothing wrong but go into that Capitol. For that he was given 41 months in prison even after the judge said he hurt no one. But lets see what this man got .

Michael Curzio: 6 months in prison
Curzio, who has ties with a white supremacist gang and was at the front of the crowd on Jan. 6, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count and served the maximum sentence of six months in jail. He participated in the Capitol riot just two years after he was released from an eight-year prison sentence for attempted murder

Justice Department lawyers said Curzio had an “undisputed history” of membership with an extremist group known as the Unforgiven, a violent, white supremacist gang

You tell me if those two prison terms make one lick of sense?

 

Nice manufactured quote! Now can you GENUINELY quote him?

You think that they should all go to prison even if the new footage proves that some of them are innocent?

Yes if the footage contradicts the charges against them.

 

Remember that for the next cop shooting protest

 

So, you support the J6 protest?

 

A protest based on lies by someone who knew they lost and didn’t wanna surrender power, who then summoned an angry mob to stop the process?
No. Not at all

 

Threads like these are AWESOME. I'm loving it. It looks like Tucker is really getting under liberal skin with his exposing of the TRUTH. First the phony russia HOAX falls apart and now the over-exaggerated Jan 6th narrative is falling apart too.
Ya'll should learn from this! This is where witch hunts get you!

 

You say this. The US pays some 100 millions in damages to civilians a year over police brutality. And cops get off with nothing in about most cases.

Cops do kill multiple people a day

They don't make the list of the top 10 most dangerous jobs.

That's just you basically admit that cops aren't professional and drag people to jail for expressing their 1st amendment rights, and you don't care.

There were probably 1000's of sudden violent movements during 6th of jan, and only 1 cop shot 1 bullet, while 100's of cops were punched and kicked into the hospital.

The whole world saw how a violent fascist mob attacked cops.
The whole world was witness of them fascists tried to make Trump their dictator.
The guy admitted to his crime of trying to stop Biden being appointed of being a president.

And you are still second guessing it. It's pathetic.

 

They do. And 99% of them are completely justified. That's on the bad guys who put them in those situations to begin with, not the cops. So... So, what?

If you do something stupid like pulling a gun on police because they pulled you over for speeding, when in fact you were speeding, well, you got what you had coming. 'You' being used in the generic sense.

That's not at all what I was saying, but if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to think so, by all means continue.

Oh. You're a 1-6er. That 'splains it.

Well, I wasn't one of them. Nor am I making excuses for anyone. I am disturbed by what seems to be blatant prosecutorial misconduct by not disclosing potentially (keyword) exculpatory evidence over to the defense, as is required by law. That is the only principal I care about as regards this issue, as it seems you missed it when I said, truthfully and with all seriousness that I was in a coma on that day, and for weeks thereafter, and so have not been part of the debate about something I know nothing about.

But in light of these potentially disturbing lack of mandatory disclosures, that's what I care about, because it is an important principal and part of our obligation to those accused of committing crimes of any kind.

In light of the fact that only a small handful of people have been charged with any felonies, if even that many, it doesn't seem any serious crimes occurred that day. But you don't seem to be all that worried about that, indeed if I had to guess, I'd bet it pisses you off, no?

 

As noted before, the book wasn't thrown at him. That would have meant he would have been trialed over treason.

He went in to disrupt the process of getting Biden to be president. He admitted to it. And that's straight to jail for him. And he did not hurt anybody, because the politicians fled for their lives. Get over it already instead of supporting this coup.

People get shot for less.

 

Maybe you should try looking at it from a perspective of someone like me. My memory 'turned off' sometime in November, but after the election occurred as I remember that. When it turned back on in late February or early March, Biden was POTUS, and the only thing people were talking about was Covid, and the death of Kobe Bryant and his daughter. That was mama nature f-ing with my mind in an epic way, let me tell you.

But what people were not talking about was any attempt from then former President Trump to stay in power, nor the events of 1/6. I cannot say when I first learned about it, but it was not something that happened days or even weeks later. It was a long time.

From that perspective, the peaceful transfer of power occurred just as it has over the entirety of the existence of the United States, at first very much to the rest of the world's surprise. You see, even back then they were expecting us to do things the way the rest of the world does it, just like many still do, but we didn't and don't.

Indeed, notwithstanding the now cancelled primetime TV series about that afternoon, that peaceful transfer or power did happen as scheduled. I think that was when I really found out about what transpired, not from the TV show, I didn't watch it, but in the lead up to it's debut. But that is a question that I will in all likelihood never be able to answer, as I just don't know with any certainty.

If people belong in jail, as I believe I must have said at least a dozen times by now, so be it. I have no skin in that game, I didn't know any of them, I wasn't aware of their plans or even their very existence. My only concern, and the only reason I'm participating in this thread is the very real possibility that prosecutors in the cases brought as a result acted improperly by not disclosing these tapes to the defense teams of those who caught charges.

I don't care if you are charged with killing my BFF, everyone is entitled to a speedy trial before a jury of their peers, they are entitled to confront witnesses against them, and they are entitled to present evidence that may tend to exonerate them from their charges. It seems like too many people here just want them taken out back and strung up from the closest tree without even bothering with a trial, and it's very clear that some are not disturbed at all about what might (keyword) turn out to be a black letter violation of their rights by the prosecution and indeed the Congress as a whole.

That disturbs me greatly. As it should anyone who believes in the principals I outlined above. Which should be everyone. I don't want bad guys to get away with their crimes, and I have been quite hard on prosecutors for being soft on criminals since the pandemic hit, as is painfully obvious by just paying attention to what's going on. If you don't steal at least $950 either in cash or merchandise when committing a theft in California, they are on the record saying they are not going to prosecute you. That's not good. But neither is those same prosecutors stomping on the rights of the people involved in the events of 1/6/00, no matter what your (or their) personal opinion is about said events, or the defendants.

The principal is more important than any conviction.

 

You say this, while cops end up paying 100's of millions of bucks in damages. That the cop who killed Eric Garner -unarmed over a pack of sigs- and his henchmen did not get kicked straight to jail is just part of a rotten system.

Ah, pulling people over. Cops racist profile black people for the sake to pull them over. That's the conclusion after looking at almost a 100 million traffic stops. It even ends up that cops pull less black people over at night, because apparently they can't racist profile them that well. White people got a higher chance of being arrested when pulled over by the way. Same thing happens with cops who hunt down poor black people. It ends up that white people do an equal amount of crime. It is what it is.

But it basically was what you're saying. You don't know people's constitutional rights. 4th amendment is also a thing. Unreasonable seizing, includes the uses of excess violence.

Not a clue how you came up with that lie.

I don't think you are aware what the guy got convicted for.
And he's a convicted felon now.

 

I don't think Trump is capable of believing he lost, not with what everything that happened and was shown to him. He even got mad at his Daughter when she said he lost.

 

I'm fully aware of what he was charged and convicted of. As far as I know, he is the only person facing felony charges in the whole deal, but I could be wrong about that, as it's not a topic I've followed.

I really don't care if he was found guilty, if he is then he should have been. Well, he pled to it, so that's a bit different. What I care about, that I've repeatedly said, sometimes using bold and italicized text, is that his rights were not violated in the process.

That's it. That's my only concern about that day, or any other day and any other crime. We have a judicial system that is tilted in favor of defendants, as it should be. It is far less important that 10 guilty persons go free than even a single innocent one goes to prison, and all of our rules of evidence and procedures are designed around that simple concept.

Would his defense team having been given access to the thousands of hours of video, much of it quite boring, have changed either his decision to cut a plea, or his ultimate conviction? That's not for me to say. I only care that evidence was disclosed to his attorney, as has been required by federal law since before I was even born, so I've never known a world, at least in this lifetime, where that was not the case.

At first glance, it appears that he should have been given copies of every minute of footage, regardless of whether or not it would have changed the results. If that appearance turns out to be accurate after a sufficient investigation, then heads should roll. At the very least, every person involved in depriving him and anyone else of their basic rights should be fired, disbarred, and potentially be facing jail time of their own.

However, if said investigation demonstrates no prosecutorial misconduct, as long as it was conducted properly, so be it. As I have said, I have no skin in the game, no love or admiration for the people involved, and I don't care if they go to prison, as long as their rights are respected in the process.

I also think we need to get away from this no cash bail and not prosecuting 'minor' crime bullshit. Stealing $900 is not a minor crime. Stealing a stick of gum is.

 

Your opinion. Your bias opinion matters not. It's meaningless. It's up to the Defense on whether the evidence is relevant.
And frankly any sane person would look at a defendent being escorted and helped thru the capital building by a flock of police as a boon to the defense. Only a hateful person...would not see it. And the left truly hate this buffalo man.

 

People like Tucker, and you, think that with adding more footage to what there is, will suddenly whitewash jan 6th. It's like hearing the argument of adding 1000's of pictures of Harvey Weinstein having fun with puppies on his rape island would suddenly undo the crime. And of course, that's just mental. They busted that shaman and around a 1000 others with committing a crime, and no amount of vid's of them doing "nothing much" with change jack to it.

And it's basically is, if you don't want to go to jail than don't be part of a violent coup. People get shot at for a hell of a lot less. Easy.

The shaman is a convicted felon, so that aint a minor crime. While most of them others had to be ratted out by their friends and family for the sake to bring them to court. Ergo, they were on the run for the law. Makes perfect sense they don't get bail. lol

 

Except under federal rules of evidence and procedure at district trials, you cannot introduce political arguments in said trial. Political arguments are by nature opinion, hearsay, and only facts can be introduced and examined.