Gun owners get right to carry without a permit in Florida

the million is a bit hyperbolic and most DEATHS are suicides or felons killing felons. Do you concede that there is lots of value to millions of people enjoying shooting sports and hunting? You see alcohol kills more people than guns do and I find the utility of alcohol to be much lower. But we tried to ban booze and it was a rousing failure (as would gun bans be)

 

OK lets cut the crap

1) you want everyone who wants to buy their FIRST gun after your law is in place to undergo a mental health evaluation/ that appears to be 20 million people in the first year and about 5-6 million thereafter

2 ) you have never explained

a) how long this evaluation would take and who would do it
b) appeal rights if you are denied
c) how long one should have to wait to get this evaluation and if the wait is longer than X it would be waived
d) who would be qualified to do it

I submit that this is a trojan horse designed to essentially stop gun sales

 

most "children" killed are either suicides or older (17-19) year olds engaged in felonious narcotics trafficking. My rights are not properly limited by suicides or felons

 

Yes, please. You said I claimed there would be less than 5.4 million, but I don't recall ever saying that, so I asked you to quote me saying it.

Yes, I have, but I have given up since you have not been able to process it.

You keep saying it, but it doesn't make any sense. I got CCW license and it only made purchasing easier. Did it stop you from buying guns? How come?

 

1) you have only said that everyone's first purchase after your law went into effect. that would be 20 million at least in year one

2) you have never said who could do these examinations and what penalties they would face for wrongful denials

3) you have never said if that if a wait was too long it would be waived.

at a half hour an evaluation-that would be 10 million hours in year one

we don't have anywhere near the number of qualified HCPs to do those examinations

hence I believe you have either not considered the ramifications of your suggestion or you really are intending a de facto denial of new gun purchases

 

Ok, I won't ask again, since I know you will continue to deflect.

 

you deflect by demanding I come up with some alternative solution to whack jobs getting guns

I told you that the current prohibitions are good-but the data base has to be maintained. and I -unlike you-understand the dangerous of violating doctor patient privilege beyond mandatory reporting of credible threats

you keep floating this virtue signaling effort of yours and YOU REFUSE TO ADDRESS THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS

HOW long will it take when there re going to be 10 million hours of evaluations in year one

 

You are aware, are you not, that the United States was founded by insurrection and treason to the British Crown, are you not? And that said insurrection was successful because it was organized, well armed, and well led, are you not? With an emphasis on the 'well armed' part. Guns, and their bigger cousins commonly referred to as 'cannons' are the primary reason the USA, and by extension the very internet itself, even exists at this moment in time.

I don't know where you're getting your 'million in 8 years' number, but even if you include suicides, which I do not for the foundation of conversations like this, it's not even close to being that high. You may be, but the number of gun homicides are not. The latest unofficial number I'm seeing is about 14,000, in a country of over 330,000,000, which is up from about 12,000 after the pandemic, defund the police, the summer of riots, DAs refusing to prosecute offenders, and the political circus in this country where, for example, transgender shooters are not given the same level of scrutiny that say, a white male christian heterosexual would be. Doubly so if they were a Republican, either in actuality or by accusation, and being called a Republican is, in far too many corners of our society today, an accusation.

 

I simply asked you to back up your claim and, and it didn't happen. That's all.

I COULD repeat my answers endlessly, but what's the point if you can't process them?

US doctors work over 1.2 Billion hours every year so it does not seem like a big deal. but of course to a natural born pessimist, everything is always impossible.

 

What do you mean by that?

 

so you want podiatrists, dermatologists, colo-rectal surgeons, and OB/GYNs doing these examinations

 

are you going to ever tell us how long someone should have to wait before getting their gun?

 

Americans are an untamed wild society unwilling to be inert captives of criminals whether in public office or wearing uniforms.
Aside from suicides, gun crimes are committed by criminals. Don't ask me to be a victim because some millennial moron sees my death as simple collateral damage of "the greater wokeness" because putting criminals in prison is "mean".

 

With my CCW license I don't have to wait at all, and that would not change.

I get it. You don't have solution, and you oppose any solution anyone else comes up with. You accept the carnage as a fact of life, or collateral damage. I get it. However, majority of gun owners would like to reduce the killings, because they give regular gun owners a bad name, not to mention the fact that its sad to see innocent people get murdered.

 

I will never submit to such a violation of my god given rights, regardless of which god it is you believe in, or if your god is pure materialism. Keeping and bearing arms for the purposes of self-defense, food, recreation, and if a huge push ever gave way to a gigantic shove, a potential AmRev 2.0 is a birthright that not just Americans are entitled to, but all humans, it's just that many governments infringe upon it with the consent of their sheep and subjects. You can, by your own actions, age, or mental health have that right stripped from you, but unless and until that happens, it is as much yours as is your freedom to speak your mind, be free from unreasonable and illegal searches and seizures, and that to worship, or not, however you please.

 

his scheme is a backdoor effort to ban gun sales

 

nope, another lie, I don't buy into your views that your unconstitutional schemes are a solution. And you again make a dishonest claim when you say that if I don't back your de facto gun ban, I must want whackos to have guns. Others have already called out your erroneous claims about my views.

 

You keep accusing others of lying, and then you say something like this, which is a total misrepresentation of what I said. The irony......

I never said you'd have to back my solution, and if you don't then it means something. I said you oppose any solution anyone else comes up with, and accept the status quo.

This is what I said

If you don't accept the status quo and you also do not accept any suggestion to fix it, then what are people supposed to think? Its almost as if you are ashamed of what your argument reveals about your view.

 

how long will it be before someone can get their first gun if your scheme passes?

 

Not any longer than it currently takes to get CCW. But of course even having to stop at red lights is a "gun ban" to you because it inconveniences you.

I am tired of this. You'll parrot your talking points till the cows come home.

Enjoy the status quo & the body counts.

 

can you guarantee that. You seem to dismiss the inconvenience thing rather cavalierly

I tire of you pretending your scheme won't cause unconstitutional delays

No matter what happens, what we have got
is the Supreme court, and you have not

 

Awww.....so inconvenient.

 

that sort of response tells me what I already know-you're all about banning gun sales or making them so inconvenient that many won't bother.

 

Of course. ANYTHING you don't like is some how a "gun ban", even a freaking emoticon.

 

your attitude that you brush off people maybe having to wait months to buy a gun (which is a clear violation of their rights) shows your scheme is all about virtue signaling and has nothing to do with your facade of wanting to disarm "crazies"