Nikki Haley would DESTROY Biden. So shouldn't the entire Republican machine rally around her?

Yeah, but wouldn't you literally take any one of them over Biden? I mean I assume that you also do not believe that Biden has the qualities to be President.

 

Not that big of a difference-- 5 points is within the margin of error, for polls this far out (I'm guessing at least +/- 3 points). Also the field is more fluid at this point; maybe the poll you'd used had been taken shortly after one of Trump's indictments (or maybe mine was-- hard to know for sure, if indictments hurt or help Trump, in a national poll).

To be fair, though, my poll was just for South Carolina, which is Haley's home state, and where she'd served for a term and a half as governor. Instead of at 18% in the primary, as that one had recorded Haley, the other state polls I've seen, now put her at 12 - 13%, still barely in second place, after Trump.

 

ABC News/Washington Post has Trump up +9? That can't be right.

 

You obviously didn't read my post. I was not making a point. I was asking a question, in seeking opinions.

 

Just to be clear, are you saying that in order to have an impeachment inquiry, you must have some sort of evidence of a crime?

 

You think that I am terrified that Trump could win the primary, or the general?

 

What does this concern of yours have to do with her electability against Biden? I assume that you would take her over Biden any day of the week.

 

POT?

 

Just my own reading of the tea leaves.

Scarborough said that every Democrat he has talked to privately thinks Joe should not run. When his own top propagandists are publicly expressing doubts about his viability, it says something about the internal machinations that are going on at the DNC.

Scarborough would NOT report that, even if he agrees with it, unless there are wheels turning against Biden inside the DNC.

But, I might be wrong. Just my gut feeling.

 

One and the same. No one has officially chosen anyone yet. But when I refer to republicans and or democrats, I’m referring to the whole shebang. Today the Republicans are going with Trump if the primary polls are accurate.

ttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html

Which gives Biden his best chance of winning in November 2024. But it’s like I said, that’s their choice. Not mine. I’m just a swing voter, a non-affiliate who dreads the prospect of a rematch. Like most other Americans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-dre...s-feelings-about-2024-election-191803206.html

This is a rematch made in Hell as far as I and other swing voters are concerned. A rematch for most Americans between two very much disliked and unwanted to become the next president candidates. But it is what it is. I like many other swing voters; we can opt for other options instead of choosing between these two dregs from the bottom of the barrel. We can vote third party against both or we can stay home and say to Hades with it all. Regardless of who wins, we’re doomed.

 

Surprise, surprise, her economic "plan" is based on more tax cuts:

https://nikkihaley.com/2023/09/23/h...mic-plan-ahead-of-second-presidential-debate/

Should the GOP take control again in 2024, and it seems more likely than not that they will, expect more of the same old, same old. Tax cuts (that supposedly pay for themselves), deficits going through the roof, but noting else will be accomplished, other than finger pointing at the Democrats.

Now, I thought her performance in the first debate was good, she criticized both Dems and the GOP for the exploding debt. Yet, what is HER plan to reduce the deficit? We need to hear specifics. In any case, she is still 1000 times better than Trump.

 

The relevance to the poll your citing in the OP has to do with the fact that Democrats have not really gone after Haley. Why? Well, she's not much of a threat at the moment. Democrats are not really attacking her because she is polling so low in the polls. It's simple political economy: they are using all vitriol on Trump at the moment. But if somehow Haley was to be the Republican nominee, they would redirect their vitriol on Haley. Democrats and their friends in the media (but I repeat myself) would try to dig up dirt on Haley, and if they didn't have any or enough, they'd just resort to plain-old lying, and they would do their best to bring her poll numbers down in the general election, where it matters. Look at McCain, for example: he was considered a maverick, a war hero. But when he ran against Obama in the general election, he was compared to a segregationist and a domestic terrorist, trying to stir up a climate of racist hate by people such as John Lewis:

During another period, in the not too distant past, there was a governor of the state of Alabama named George Wallace who also became a presidential candidate. George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.

As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all. They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy. We can do better. The American people deserve better.​

Then when McCain lost and went back to attacking Republicans and not being a threat to the Democrats, he became beloved again, especially when he was anti-Trump.

Or how about Biden saying that Romney would put black people back in chains, invoking slavery:

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You have to be severely naive to think that Democrats wouldn't do the same with Haley.

Were Haley receiving the same vitriolic negative media coverage as Trump, and she was polling high in the polls notwithstanding, then perhaps I would reconsider voting for her, since she would definitely be better than Biden. But that is not the case.

 

Trumps policies were just fine. And I'm not interested in progressives burying Republican candidates that they don't like based on outrage and hysteria.

You are going to have to deal with 4 more years of trump. That's honestly a highly likely scenario here.

 

Considering the current state of things ...it's either very ironic or incredibly ignorant of you to have said this.

I can't decide which

 

Why not?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tro...?id=103436611&mc_cid=f4d249874b&mc_eid=UNIQID

 

Correct.

The "Halley is a fascist, racist bigoted sexist" narrative would be poured on 24 /7.

Because that's all Democrats can do.

 

I'm not sure that Joe will be the nominee.

 

Even though she is not white, they'd say that she is the "face of white supremacy," like they did with Larry Elder.

For those of you who don't know who Larry Elder is:



These people have no shame. There is no low low enough for them to win.

 

I eagerly await your decision

 

I thought you preferred this same-old same-old Republican Party to the Trump version? Yes if you get Haley, you get the establishment economic plan, which are basically just tax cuts. Isn't that what you want out of GOP opponents though?

 

Didn't Trump do "just tax cuts" when he was in office? What was the difference between his and the "establishment" economic plan?

In any case, if it is the GOP in power, I'd rather have Haley than Trump, at least she is not crazy.

 

No, Because Biden has done a lot of good for the country, and would continue to do so.

Gaffs aren't particularly a liability, though they are fodder for right wing narratives to score cheap political points,

Trump is far worse.

Biden is old, and I wish he would step down, but he'll manage, despite his age. It's possible his health could deteriorate, so his choice for VP is important. I don't see anything about Harris I find objectionable, though I would have preferred Elizabeth Warren or Klobuchar.

 

Gonna go with willful ignorance. You are bias and ridiculous. Biden has split the world in half and we haven't been this close to nuclear war since the Cuban missile crisis.

I wouldn't worry much about nuclear war of trump gets re elected. With the exception of China, trump was forming dialogue and calming waters with our enemies.

 

Well I wouldn't worry, you'll get Biden again.

But if you had forgotten, Trump ran on tariffs to protect American jobs and redoing NAFTA, dropping out of the TPP and of course keeping out illegals who were taking American jobs. He accomplished some of that and as a consequence the labor market tightened up as unemployment went down and wage rates started to climb. Before Covid it was a gd golden age.

He did do the tax cuts but he also got a reduction in the SALT deduction for rich people and he ran on repealing the carried interest loophole, but of course the GOP Congress would never allow that. Still a good idea in my opinion...

So if you get Haley you'll just get tax cuts and that's it.

 

Yes based on the US Constitution.