Genitals and Gender

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by trumptman, Jul 15, 2023.

  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    And a cis woman is a cis woman always. Thank you Captain Obvious. Oh wait. I think that ID is already taken.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Dont confuse your inability to comprehend what I have written, with a contradiction within what I have written.
     
  3. Maquiscat

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    I haven't. And you've failed to actually address the points made. The dodge is noted.
     
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    ROFL!

    This is ONE of your "sources"?

    https://www.transgendermap.com/politics/psychology/james-cantor/

    The remaining studies are woefully out of date and use small NON REPRESENTATIVE samples.

    Not at all surprised that the Xtofascist DISINFORMATION is riddled with LIARS and LIES about transgender people.

    FTR the Xtofascists did, and still do, cobble together similar types of DISINFORMATION about gay parents and NONE of their "predictions" turned out to have any merit whatsoever.

    But instead of just DEBUNKING the FALSEHOODS let's look at at the CREDIBLE data and look at the ACTUAL rate of "regret" among those that transistion.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

    Facts matter, Xtofascist DISINFORMATION doesn't.
     
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  5. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Preventing BIGOTS from DISCRIMINATING against the LBGTQ community is not the same thing as "forcing" society to "conform", instead it was just UPHOLDING the Constitutional Right to NOT be DISCRIMINATED against by the Xtofascists.
     
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    WRONG again!

    Puberty blockers are ONLY prescribed at the ONSET of puberty.

    Puberty blockers were developed because some PRETEEN kids were starting puberty too soon, it was NEVER controversial prior to the Xtofascists getting all bent out of shape by their own IGNORANCE and BIGOTRY.
     
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    You
    You must not have paid attention to the post I was responding to.

    Your obvious point to me has no bearing on my position.

    You're responding to the wrong post.
     
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    Puberty can begin as early as 11 years old. Even 10 years in some boys. In actual practice, they will sometimes prescribe puberty blockers before it has been confirmed that puberty has actually already begun. This is not an uncommon practice.
    In the case of a young child who identifies as "transgender" and will want to alter the course of their natural sexual development, most commonly the puberty blockers would begin between the age of 11 to 13.

    This link says that puberty blockers are sometimes begun at the age of 9 years old.
    "For a child who is assigned female at birth, [endocrinologist] Dr. [Julia] Cartaya says puberty typically starts between the ages of 8 and 13. For a child who was assigned male at birth, the range is between 9 and 14."​
    https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-are-puberty-blockers/
     
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  9. Polydectes

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    You call everyone who doesn't absolutely agree with you and lock step Xtofascist does that mean something are you trying to say a word because that's not one.

    When you see those little red zigzags under a word when you type it that means it's not a word or You misspelled it.

    Are you doing what Chappelle said just making up words to try and win an argument?
     
  10. Polydectes

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    Puberty blockers should not be prescribed to children who are not experiencing precocious puberty to do that is abusive. Another word for those drugs is castration drugs.
     
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    My understanding has been that there are drugs called puberty blockers that slow or delay puberty, but once withdrawn allow puberty to continue.

    Do these drugs have effects that are essentially castration?
     
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    As I have learned doctors don't even like prescribing these for precocious puberty anymore.
    It is the same drug. It is like how Zyban (A drug prescribed to help stop smoking) is the same drug as Wellbutrin an anti-anxiety med. different names doesn't necessarily mean different drugs.
     
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    No because it just holds the development in a pre pubertal state ergo there wasn’t full sexual function to block or stop
     
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    I see two categories of such people.

    1. Those who seek to judge others and control them, for religious or other reasons, or just because they are disgusted. Same group who oppose equal rights for homosexuals.

    2. Those who fear or have seen realized intrusion into their lives or the lives of people they care about. That would include people worried about men beating up women in women's combat sports, unfairly competing in other sports, lying their way into women's prisons, etc.

    Sometimes people fall into both groups one and two above, but it is wrong to presume somebody in group two is in group one. And group two does have some valid concerns that should be recognized.
     
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    how does MAGA have anything to do with this discussion. some of the groups most closely aligned with the Talibiden are well known as being overall hostile to the alphabet agenda
     
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    Well said. I think this is exactly the issue. It isn't about transphobia or hating trans people as much as it is about not wanting to be mind controlled or forced to say things or do things you don't believe.

    I see it as very different than the gay acceptance movement for this reason. Few would claim that gay people aren't really gay.
     
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    The suppression of this topic is a political agenda item for MAGA Republicans - don't say gay, clean information from libraries, ensure there is no education on the topic, attack support for those who are trans (etc.), etc.

    It's true that there are Dems and Independents who are not particularly accepting of humans in general. Nothing is 100%.

    But, Dems aren't actually working to harm this demographic, and MAGA definitely is doing that.
     
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    do you think grade school kids need to learn about drag queens or trans women
     
  19. WillReadmore

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    There is no age limit on the MAGA assault on education - or, their assault on persons who are LGBTQ.
     
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    It's different from the gay movement in a very fundamental way.

    Gay people said let us just be normal people you don't have to participate. Just live and let live.

    This trans insanity is about you will call us what we demand you call us even though it's incorrect. And that's really about brainwashing if you make someone say a lie enough times they'll start to believe it.

    The gay thing wasn't about invading other people's lives that is what this is solely about.

    There is an incredible amount of homophobia within the trans movement. Men that really want to be women are demanding that lesbians see them as women. I think this gets a little more attention than the women pretending to be men demanding gay men see them as men, because gay men have been called all the names and they don't care anymore.
     
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    Quit associating molesting children with the LGBT we fought the church people over that now we're fighting you people and you're no different.
     
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    My reference was clearly about molesting education, NOT molesting children.

    Besides, do we really need to talk more about Trump and molesting?
     
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    We have heard interminable complaints about trans women in bathrooms but the SAME people have no issue with Trump walking in on underage beauty contestants
     
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    They just see it as “dress up” which kids have been doing since grass skirts were invented
     
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    Not any worse than religions and their followers.
     

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