Genitals and Gender

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by trumptman, Jul 15, 2023.

  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Nope!

    That is what the Xtofascist AGENDA is all about!
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So if you were the last human left alive, tell us why you would need to get a gender change.

    I think in that situation, a "woman's mind" in a "man's body" would be a meaningless distinction. There would be no point of reference to compare, to be able to say the two "do not align". (Align with what, exactly?)

    The same as if a gay person were the last human left alive. Whatever "sexual orientation" they happened to have would then be a completely moot point and irrelevant.

    Look, some people might have one sort of brain and are in a male body.
    A small minority of people in a male body might have a different sort of brain. Who's to say there is an "alignment problem"?
     
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  3. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Because being TRUE to MYSELF is what matters!
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In most situations, "being true to oneself" would not involve trying to resort to a drastic change in your body.

    Your body is part of you. And it's a perfectly normal body. Maybe you should embrace it?

    Do you think Michael Jackson was "being true to himself" by trying to transform into a racially white person? That seems to me like the opposite of "being true to yourself".
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Maybe YOU should LEARN that it is MY body and NOT yours!

    YOU do NOT get to DICTATE what I do with MY body!

    Capisce?
     
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    Empathy is not synonymous with capitulation. Participating in another's fantasy is not necessarily constructive, no matter how much we "feel" for them.
    The freedom to see yourself as however you like does not cancel the right of others to see you as they like. Insisting that they agree is a symptom of mental disorder.
     
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    The problem you have here is that while you want to call it a disorder (I happen to agree on that specific point), you don't want to accept the currently only working treatment for that disorder because you don't happen to agree with the treatment, despite, I'm willing to bet, no actual experience in that field.
     
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    I'm pretty Libertarian-leaning, so if you're over 21 and want to do whatever you want to your body, I think that should be your legal right. But I can still tell you the reasons why I think that is illogical and why you might be making a big mistake.

    And don't expect that change in your body to create expectations on the rest of society.

    But I just find it ironic how so many on the Left seem to have double standards. For example, if it's really your body, you should be able to ride a motorcycle on a public road without a helmet, agree? Yet those on the Left think that should be illegal.
     
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  9. Polydectes

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    I don't know why everything about this is so dependent on other people affirming trans people. I will extend curtesy of referring to a trans woman as a woman she/her/ma'am and try with trans men the water is a little murkier on that side. but if an effort is made to signal their gender identity (only if it is real) that should be the limit of my involvement and it is simply a curtesy
     
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    What point? Not being empathetic in discussions that don't require it doesn't show anything. if you can't articulate what you need empathy for why should you get it?

    Is it that any disagreement with you is wrong?
     
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    I would say it is self-centered to demand other people change their ideas to line up with my beliefs or identity.
     
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    You are lecturing me on not displaying empathy you can't explain. I choose to engage with you but you think you are entitled to my emotional energy.
     
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    Maybe you should learn that. you are demanding empathy for what you did to your body. I don't care, you do you. You told me about your dysphoria, I didn't ask.
    Nobody is trying to.
     
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    Kindly REFRAIN from PROJECTING the HYPOCRISY of the right onto the left.

    Wearing a crash helmet has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with bodily autonomy. You do NOT have the right to ride your bike STARK NAKED down Main Street because the Xtofascists consider NUDITY to be a "SIN". You cannot have your passenger MOONING pedestrians and other drivers either.
     
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    Thanks for CONFIRMING my point that the majority of males lack empathy AGAIN.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

    Hysterical!
     
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    No one is DEMANDING EMPATHY!

    Just pointing out that in order to COMPREHEND what Body Dysphoria means and the negative impact is has requires EMPATHY.

    Your RESPONSES reveal that you do NOT understand this topic because you INSIST upon making it ALL about YOURSELF instead.

    That is another CLASSIC male limitation that is the CAUSE of a great many problems in our society that would NOT be there BUT for a LACK of EMPATHY for others.

    This is HOW are current TOXIC society is structured so please don't take it personally. It is an OBSERVATION of the issues and what NEEDS to be REMEDIATED in order that we can have an ACCEPTING society where EVERYONE can be themselves. Fortunately the Millennials and GenZ are doing EXACTLY that because they were RAISED to ACCEPT that individuals do NOT have to fit into stupid HETERONORMATIVE boxes.
     
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    Again what point?
     
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    then what is this point you think I keep proving?
    buddy dysmorphia isn't a complicated thing to comprehend I think a majority of people have suffered with it from time to time in their life.
    asking you questions is making out all about myself questions you refuse to answer and run screaming from every time I ask?

    No I think I called you out on your bullshit and you've run out of bullshit.
    if you need someone to treat you like you're fragile little delicate piece of Hillary and never ever question you on anything you're in the wrong place. I'm just asking you questions you're accusing me of all sorts of wacky crap.
    when someone is asking you questions trying to understand your hysterics calm down it's not personal relax and answer or don't don't throw a fit I'm just going to go harder
    Actually we're becoming quite numb and immune to this kind of caterwauling. Because it's manipulative. Me asking you questions about the wacky crap your post is not absence of accepting you. So just calm down with the victimhood it's transparent and quite phony
     
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    I think you are being quite hysterical not in the funny way in the sad way
     
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    Congratulations!

    You are the WINNER of an all expenses paid ONE WAY ticket to Cyberia.

    Have a nice life!
     
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    Address the post. why are you so afraid of that?
     
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    That is a totally disingenuous attempt at argument. The reasons for laws against not wearing clothes are very different for the reason for the law against not wearing a protective helmet.
     
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    Thank you for CONFIRMING that you were PROJECTING the HYPOCRISY of the right onto the left.
     
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    Nonsense. 60-75% of teens who identify as being transgendered and seeking treatment at these clinics, lose those feelings of being transgendered. While among those who have medically transitioned, have a suicide rate 13 times higher than the general public. Doing absolutely nothing is many times more effective than what you claim is the only treatment.
     

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