Why is socialism becoming increasingly popular in the United States?

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  1. Noone

    Noone Well-Known Member

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    Most of them come from the right.
    I"m not from the right but I can, I can name many.
    • Russia
    • China
    • North Korea
    • Vietnam

    I realize this isn't about ME, but "I" prefer Dark Aviator Green, I've been called a lot of names but, curiously, never ignorant.
     
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    NOPE :) These are times in U.S. history :)
     
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    Student debt forgiveness, simple put, it’s a RELIEF payment.

    Coronavirus AID, RELIEF, and Economic Security Act
     
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  4. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You burdened yourself with that debt when you decided to take it on, did you not?

    I know I did and I'm solely responsible for that decision, but it was literally the price I had to pay for my independence and it was worth every penny (and the ten years it took to pay every penny off). That being said, I do sympathize with what you're saying and I'm concerned with how it is impacting young people's ability to purchase a home and other things. As I mentioned to Nightmare515 and I've discussed at length with crank, property ownership is an incredibly important thing not just to people on an individual level but to people on a national level. I don't want young people to be living Ida Auken's dystopian 2030.

    So, for the sake of discussion, let's presume that a person makes responsible decisions regarding their college education and career choice(s). That raises several questions, the first if which is how can we get the price of college down to the point where it doesn't crush students, particularly the less affluent ones who have to rely on loans to help pay for tuition and their other expenses? In other words, how do we get colleges to charge less for the services they provide? A second question might be what can we do to help college students transition into the work force and their career of their choice (apprentice programs, etc.)? Third, what can we responsibly do with the finite resources we have available to reduce or mitigate the debt of students who have already graduated without shifting the burden to other people?

    People do want to help and they have an interest in helping, but it's practical matters such as this that have be addressed and resolved, and I don't have an answer for why they haven't been resolved.
     
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    Pred Well-Known Member

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    Are you being sarcastic that a farmer FEEDING people is equal to someone who just thinks about things and gives their opinion? We’re ALL Philosophers you know:)
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've already listed just one amongst many.

    How is it that you can't?

    Heh - the whole board isn't in need of "enlightenment".

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    I think leftist protocal is THREE Russia Russia RUSSIA!..
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One could argue against every country on this list for varying reasons, but one of these really stands out as being particularly shocking.

    Do you believe that North Korea counts as a successful country?

    I have never seen anyone make that assertion before. By what measure can you possibly call them successful?
     
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    Yet what is your response to excessive profiteering? Why are they paying so little in taxes while reaping billions and then, to add insult to injury, get tax breaks that they turn around and loan back to the government at interest?
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL - Without farmers you're DEAD.

    Philosophy majors?

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    We'll survive. I can pick up a copy of Plato's Republic on my own....

    LMFAO!!! Evidently the Political Forum Comedy Hour started early today....:D
     
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    So conservatives are the only one spreading socialism in America.
     
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    In another word .. no liberal ever implemented any socialism. But conservative POTUS – Bush gave away 400+ billion to banks and trump gave 14 billion to farmers.
     
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    no you didn't.
     
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    So Trump giving money to farmers was capitalism?
     
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    To his point your really can't back up your theories with facts and you frame your arguments so it's very difficult to know what it is you believe ... SO ... your "theories" can't be challenged.


    Maybe not but, a little "enlightenment" never hurt anyone.
     
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    So, then your lack of argument means you capitulate on your prior statement. :thumbsup:
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like most people, I generally don't do business with people who are trying to gouge me, but when it's the government that's doing the gouging I really don't have a choice.

    I'm sorry, my hella awesome powers of clairvoyance seem to be on the fritz today. Who is this nefarious "they" you speak of? I know in some cases, such as natural disasters, 'excessive profiteering' is illegal, and I don't have a problem with that.
     
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    Oh, don't be so modest, surely more than one.
    These seem to be valid. It's successful in that has withstood the test of time; it became a nation in 1945. Resisted invasion and hasn't succumbed to becoming a member of the worlds central bank system. I'm not a fan, I deplore any totalitarian system of oppression. I'm especially concerned that tRaitor tRump has one planned for These United States if reelected.
     
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    It is what I intended to say as I said it. People want to get ahead. In order to suppress that human characteristic government must force socialism on the public because people will not abide it by choice. That is why socialism becomes authoritarian communism. It is what it is.

    You are incorrect. There are a lot of people advocating socialism. They are marxists and the vast majority of them are liberals. We have marxists in congress and countless other government offices let alone in the public. Socialism has lead to communism or social democracy every time it has been implemented. It is not a chant. It is history. It isn't an opinion. It is what it is. Sorry you don't see it.
     
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    No but there are members of congress who want this sort of thing. I haven't expressed any worry. I have just opposed socialism as a failed economic system. I'm confident Americans wouldn't tolerate it.
     
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    Your barometer for success of a country is "test of time"?

    Wow. That is shockingly hollow. Id venture to say not many people in this world would call North Korea a successful country. You are the first I have ever seen trying to make that claim. I suspect you will also likely be the last.

    To each their own.
     
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    So you're arguing that capitalism suppresses the desire to "achive"; I disagree.
    Which is, most often, totalitarian dictatorship. Which negates the importance of what the resulting economy is called.
    True.
    False, prove otherwise. Some possibly but certainly not the "vast majority"; that's horseshit.
    Name some?
    No, it leads to totalitarian dictatorship with the possible exception of Vietnam.
    No, its none of those and all you have is YOUR and the rest of the now tRumpublicans that have been brainwashed by tax free right wing think tanks and their biased propagandizing media, to support that theory.

    But no real facts.
     
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    Just because you disagree with other s doesn’t make them socialist or Marxist

    We have been asking example of socialist policy in America. and not a single one can post one policy.
     
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    You can read their mind? Must be very powerful intuition you got.
     
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    :thumbsup: But then you ran off the rails.
    Bingo!
     

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