Ban all guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by LiberalActivist, Jun 13, 2011.

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  1. DefendWesternCivilization

    DefendWesternCivilization New Member

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    Americans do love the republic you kooky Liberal And Americans guns made the Republic Possible So like Allen West told Cair your NUTS
     
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    I would have more confidence in your sincerity if your words and deeds walked hand in hand; instead of simply resorting to forms of fallacy to try to make a point you don't have.

    Some liberals feel that this would not even be an issue, if gun lovers were more willing to be responsible enough to love their republic as much as they love their guns. Why is this still an issue if what you claim is true?
     
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    BRAVO my son BRAVO !

    You are 100% correct.
     
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    That particular caveat will rule out roughly 70 percent of the population from owning firearms. Are you sure youre anti gun control?
     
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    Most of the American populace have mental problems.
     
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    Oh give it up already! You control freaks of nature have lost! YOU LOST! Guns are forever going to be in America and there isn't a thing you can do about it! Not one thing! You lost in America, you lost in India, they're fighting you in South Sudan, you lost in Switzerland, gun culture is beginning to take hold in China, and the registry in Canada is going into the dumpster! Bugger off and leave the gun owners alone you enemies of freedom you!
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Please use primary sources, not political crap from partisan sources.
     
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    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    We do have the likes of Kleck, but clearly the econometric research confirms that the 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis cannot be rejected
     
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    One of these days a loved one of yours may be one of the 9000 + killed each year. Sad but true. Will you still be so gun happy ? I doubt it. You're like the people who are opposed to Medicare......until they get sick and insurance wont pay.

     
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    Not really. There are too many variables involved to make the simplistic statement more guns = more crime. I would also say the opposite is true, you can't say more guns = less crime.

    All that said, it's immaterial if guns cause crime or decrease crime. The true issue is freedom and individual rights. Just because an individual right increases crime doesn't invalidate the right. If we were to eliminate the 4th-8th amendments, I can guarantee crime would be reduced. I wouldn't want to live in that society, but crime would be low. The same with guns.
     
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    Oh, you mean like this woman?
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8bbO8oU9g"]Gun Contol Penn and Teller Bull (*)(*)(*)(*) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Not likely. Most people killed by guns are people that are involved in crime as a lifestyle, be it gang members, their kids, their spouses/acquaintances, etc. If you keep your loved ones out of the drug/gang lifestyle, they will be pretty safe.

    Medicare only helps the elderly, not those who are sick and insurance won't pay.
     
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    Not likely. Most people killed by guns are people that are involved in crime as a lifestyle, be it gang members, their kids, their spouses/acquaintances, etc. If you keep your loved ones out of the drug/gang lifestyle, they will be pretty safe.

    Medicare only helps the elderly, not those who are sick and insurance won't pay.
     
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    I didn't refer to making simplistic statements. I referred to the use of econometric evidence and the valid means to isolate gun effects. The 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis cannot be rejected. Indeed, its reasonably straightforward to tax elasticities of crime with respect to gun estimates and calculate the social costs from gun ownership.

    Given we're referring to how personal preferences can lead to the ultimate coercion (i.e. denial of life), reference to individual rights is decidedly dodgy. Whilst we do not have an argument in favour of blanket gun bans, ignoring the costs imposed on others by our behaviour isn't a cunning idea.
     
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    why was Obama trying to back the Illegal Unconstitutional UN Global Gun Ban and why did the USSC have to slap down both DC and Chicago?
     
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    this is America not the Muslim RUN UK where the Populace was at the mercy of Muslim Terrorist and Socialist Thugs during the Recent Riots.
    Americans have a BILL OF Rights Not needs and a 2nd Amendment right which trumps any other concern.
    If you back Gun control aka Jew/Black control move to Nazi Iran where they hang homosexuals from cranes based on sharia law and Count women as mens property
     
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    You tried to answer a question with another question. Perhaps you'd like to start a new trend and actually address the post you are replying to. Be relevant.
     
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    if you love gun control so much LIBERAL why don't you Come and try to DISARM Americans and Start with Texas We Dare you. God bless America/Texas/Israel/Castle Doctrine and Western Civilization
     
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    It may be, because gun lovers simply refuse to love their republic as much as they claim to love their guns.

    Most States have inalienable or indefeasible rights to private property which may include Arms; gun lovers simply want more nationalized and more socialized public policy decisions than are good for the common defense and general welfare of our republic.
     
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    Most of the people who 'love' guns are right wing and conservative and everyone knows that conservatives love their country more than liberals do. By the way, which party was it that passed the unconstitutional, enemy of freedom, authoritarian national assault weapon ban?
     
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    She could have stopped the carnage. Some just don't get it.
     
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    the Bill of Rights trumps what local little Fascist want. Tell me do you back the KKK which was formed by the LIBERAL DNC which took guns from black people to make it easy for the KKK lead by Liberal Leader Robert Byrd who personally Slaughtered hundreds of DISARMED black people and HATED Jews

    Your either back Gun AKA BLACK/Jew Control or America you cant back both
     
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    Comrade Clinton and the ban which was based on psychical appearances of the weapons failed
     
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    Americans require guns to settle disputes because they are incapable of winning a good old fashioned fist-fight.
     
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    I don't know of any "gun lover" who didn't also love this republic. Please post some source for this strange view, or explain what you mean by gun lovers not being responsible enough to love our republic as much as they love guns. Are you basically insinuating that if we loved our republic that we would give up our guns? If so, please explain the logic, as I don't understand it.
     
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